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Old Posted Aug 27, 2010, 6:17 PM
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The issue based survey is from a candidate for mayor, that isn't Higgins or McIver (in fact it is from the forum's favoured candidate). It is an example of a good use of robo calling that is much less likely to piss people off.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2010, 6:33 PM
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What is a "fiscal conservative?" Is it anti-deficit, anti-tax increase, anti-tax policy updates, anti-wealth distribution, laissez-faire economics, austrian economics, libertarianist or is it more about sandbagging revenue and expense projections?

If I walked into a boardroom and said I was about to present a fiscally conservative budget for next year, the management team would break out in laughter.

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Old Posted Aug 27, 2010, 10:00 PM
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That survey implies that it's impossible to be a progressive fiscal conservatist.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2010, 3:42 PM
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That survey implies that it's impossible to be a progressive fiscal conservatist.
Well my suspicion was that any answer was going to lead to the same result. If someone self-identifies as a fiscal conservative (whatever that is), then there certainly are quotes and platform pillars from Nenshi that can be brought up to appeal to those voters. Certainly, Plan It is more genuinely fiscally responsible (perhaps a more apt term) than any of the platitudes McIver throws around. And no doubt, the 'populist' option could also be supported with Nenshi quotes.

I do feel that it is clever to get 'survey' respondents to self-identify and then provide them with quotations and policies that are harmonious with their perspective, before revealing that Nenshi is the candidate behind those policies. Many people switch off and are unreceptive to a message (no matter how sensible) if they hear up front that it is from a candidate they haven't previously felt inclined to support.

However, some people might not react well to the lack of transparency in this survey -- essentially exploiting the plausible initial assumption that it is being conducted by an impartial city agency or a polling firm. Doesn't bother me, but I don't know how it'll go over at large.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2010, 5:20 AM
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Naheed Nenshi just posted links to the Calgary Leadership Forum on Facebook ...

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2010, 8:21 PM
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Future Shop Forums article on using technology in political races - with a focus on Calgary's mayor race:

http://www.futureshopforums.ca/t5/Tech-Blog/Running-For-Mayor-There-s-An-App-For-That/ba-p/219356
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2010, 7:38 PM
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Nenshi's now podcasting discussions about his better ideas. Good stuff.

http://www.facebook.com/NaheedNenshi

First link right now on his facebook.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2010, 3:08 AM
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Well my suspicion was that any answer was going to lead to the same result. If someone self-identifies as a fiscal conservative (whatever that is), then there certainly are quotes and platform pillars from Nenshi that can be brought up to appeal to those voters. Certainly, Plan It is more genuinely fiscally responsible (perhaps a more apt term) than any of the platitudes McIver throws around. And no doubt, the 'populist' option could also be supported with Nenshi quotes.

I do feel that it is clever to get 'survey' respondents to self-identify and then provide them with quotations and policies that are harmonious with their perspective, before revealing that Nenshi is the candidate behind those policies. Many people switch off and are unreceptive to a message (no matter how sensible) if they hear up front that it is from a candidate they haven't previously felt inclined to support.

However, some people might not react well to the lack of transparency in this survey -- essentially exploiting the plausible initial assumption that it is being conducted by an impartial city agency or a polling firm. Doesn't bother me, but I don't know how it'll go over at large.
I just got that phone call, I put Fiscal Conservative. I still match up with Neshi.

I think that is pretty slimy, and really makes me double think voting for him.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2010, 5:14 AM
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I just got that phone call, I put Fiscal Conservative. I still match up with Neshi.

I think that is pretty slimy, and really makes me double think voting for him.
He's trying to show that he can appeal to fiscal conservatives- how is that "slimy"? He's supposed to convince you to vote FOR him.

I'm marching with Team Nenshi at the Gay Pride Parade on Sunday... and further to that- Pride Parade is Sunday! Party on Olympic Plaza 1-6.
     
     
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He's trying to show that he can appeal to fiscal conservatives- how is that "slimy"? He's supposed to convince you to vote FOR him.

I'm marching with Team Nenshi at the Gay Pride Parade on Sunday... and further to that- Pride Parade is Sunday! Party on Olympic Plaza 1-6.
Do you have your purple "Team Nenshi" shirt Rusty? We are out of town for the weekend, but will be spreading the word with the Calgarian's up at the lake we are going to.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2010, 1:33 PM
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Nenshi identifies himself as a "fiscal conservative" in fact he likes to say that "you don't know fiscal conservatism until you've grown up in a middle class immigrant family".
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2010, 4:47 PM
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Yeah, as I say, I have no problem with Nenshi identifying himself as a fiscal conservative -- he can certainly back that up better than those who simply throw the term about and then embrace fiscal irresponsibility by opposing Plan It or voting to exclude the largest part of the city's expenditures (police) from budget cuts.

The only aspects of the phone call that don't sit well with me are that the organisation behind the call doesn't identify itself, and that it is presented as a survey, when, in fact, it's all just a run-up to a candidate endorsement. Though, who knows? Maybe they are actually recording the results.

I don't doubt for a second that any other candidate would also use this sort of tactic, and perhaps it's unfair to hold Nenshi to a higher standard. It's certainly not going to keep me from voting for him.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2010, 4:58 PM
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I am a member of Angus Reid Forums. I just had a request to fill out a survey on Calgary Mayoralty candidates. They were surveying interest and knowledge about a lot of candidates, but the ones they seemed most interested were Nenshi, McIver, Higgins, Hawkesworth and Hehr. A question about whether i feel someone that has previously been on council should be mayor. Another on whether someone in the media is qualified for mayor.

Very interesting survey. Was done in cooperation with Zinc Research
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2010, 5:09 PM
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Posted: Friday, September 3rd, 2010 at 10:55 PM | By: Team Nenshi

There has been a lot of misinformation on the airport tunnel issue lately. We dealt with this way back in July when we released Better Idea #4: Calgarians will have quick, convenient access to their airport.

However, a lot of folks, and one candidate in particular, have been muddying the waters, and it’s important to get the real facts on the table.

We sent the following statement to the media today, and are sharing it with everyone here:

“For several weeks now, Ald. Bob Hawkesworth has staked his campaign on one issue – opposition to the airport tunnel, the same tunnel he voted for repeatedly, most recently last September.

But in his press briefing, released today, he has gone too far. Every paragraph contains at least one significant misstatement or factual error.

First, the cost of the project. No one except Ald. Hawkesworth has ever suggested that the tunnel itself will actually cost $500 million. Estimates for the tunnel have ranged from $40 million to $198 million, with roughly $175 million being the consensus estimate at City Hall. It’s worth noting that a report presented to Ald. Hawkesworth in July said that the cost to not build the tunnel is $350 million, which the City has already budgeted. So the incremental cost of the tunnel is $150 million not the $500 million he claims.

Council has already set aside $50 million for the project, and there is $123 million of unallocated provincial money to come over the course of the next seven years. Borrowing against this cash flow would put taxpayers on the hook for about $2.5 million per year for seven years, not the $500 million he claims.

Further, the Airport Trail Advisory Committee, with whom Ald. Hawkesworth has never met, is not a “small northeast hotel-industry lobby group” but a group of many community associations plus business owners and other stakeholders.

I am deeply disappointed that Ald. Hawkesworth would practice this kind of divisive us-and-them politics. He has learned his lesson well from Mayor Bronconnier’s Council – winning matters more than doing the right thing.”

And here are some Frequently Asked Questions:

Do we need the tunnel?


Yes. It’s been part of the City’s plan since 1995, and was re-affirmed in our long-term plan last September. But Council never set aside the money for it. If we don’t build it now, it will cost $1.2 billion or more to build it in the future – and that’s assuming we even could bore under a live runway!

Without the tunnel, commute times to the airport would double for northeast workers and businesses, and there would be no access to the east side of the city for a distance equivalent to that between City Hall and Heritage Drive. There would be only one functional entrance to the airport, off of an already-clogged Deerfoot Trail.

How many people are impacted?

YYC is one of the busiest airports in Canada, serving over 12 million passengers per year. It’s also one of the largest employment centres in the city, with some 15 to 18,000 people working on the airport lands.

Assuming that a conservative one-third of the workers are commuting from the east side of the airport, not having a tunnel means an additional 36,000 km driven on Calgary roads – every single day.

Principia Communications estimates, using even more conservative projections, that not having the tunnel will cost individual Calgarians $4 million per year forever, and will result in an additional 880 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions annually.

How much will it cost?

Not $500 million. The $500 million cost has been thrown around by many, but it is a number not grounded in any fact. City administration reports that the cost of not building the tunnel is $350 million in additional road upgrades throughout NE Calgary, so even if $500 million is realistic, the actual additional cost of the tunnel is $150 million.

$150 million is less in today’s dollars than the cost of major interchanges like Glenmore/Elbow and likely less than the ultimate cost of the Glenmore/37th interchange. How come we don’t have endless debates about how most people in Calgary live north of Glenmore?

Can’t existing roads handle the traffic?

No. They can’t. Try driving north on Deerfoot after 4:00pm. Any day of the week. You can’t. Any additional traffic would be crippling.

And the current roads to the east are insufficient. 36th Street northeast is a narrow strip of asphalt with no lane markings and no shoulders – and there is no plan to upgrade it. Metis Trail, when completed, will still only be two lanes in portions.

Doesn’t this only help people in the northeast?

This is a city, not four cities. Each quadrant matters and deserves the best Calgary has to offer.

Also, it’s not true. Deerfoot Trail is used by all Calgarians. Airport Trail, when built properly, will be a major east/west corridor for commerce and transportation for the Northwest and the Northeast, as well as making Stoney Trail much more useful.

The tunnel, despite the name, isn’t just for the airport, but it will serve the enormous planned industrial and residential areas in the northeast, with many tens of thousands of residents and workers.

But we don’t have the money, do we?

City Council has set aside $50 million already. Aldermen Stevenson, Jones, and Chabot found an additional unallocated $123 million from the province, meaning that the actual cost of the tunnel is now fully funded. This will cost between $15 and $20 million in interest, but that’s far less than the $1.2 billion or more it will cost us if we wait.

What about the businesses in the area?

The airport area is a vital, buzzing centre of activity, with many restaurants, hotels, and stores. Most of these businesses are new, and were built precisely because the city promised this tunnel. Without the tunnel, many will fail.

This is just about cars. Isn’t improving transit a better solution?

We need the tunnel for effective transit to the airport. It’s almost impossible to serve the airport from the east without it. Others would tell an airport worker who lives in Martindale and can see her office from her deck that she needs to go downtown and then take an “express” bus all the way up Centre Street to get to work. She’ll just drive, thanks.

The tunnel will facilitate an immediate express bus from the NE LRT line, provide for future LRT, and link the NE and proposed North-Centre LRT lines by fast transit.
     
     
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Hehr, Higgins, Kassam (no signs, just him walking) were in the Pride Parade. Did see Nenshi at OP, but not on his float, at least at my vantage point at Banker's Hall. Picked up a Nenshi button from a volunteer. It's the first time in my electoral life that I've worn a button to publically indicate my voting preference. My MLA Dave Taylor and Rachel Notley from the NDP were there too.
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I am a member of Angus Reid Forums. I just had a request to fill out a survey on Calgary Mayoralty candidates. They were surveying interest and knowledge about a lot of candidates, but the ones they seemed most interested were Nenshi, McIver, Higgins, Hawkesworth and Hehr. A question about whether i feel someone that has previously been on council should be mayor. Another on whether someone in the media is qualified for mayor.

Very interesting survey. Was done in cooperation with Zinc Research
I'll pass your comments on to my partner- who IS Zinc Research
     
     
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It's the first time in my electoral life that I've worn a button to publically indicate my voting preference.
Me too. Just got my yard sign yesterday.
     
     
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Anyone heading to this? Seems rather ambitious to have an event such as this this early. Is the reflecting pool still full? Big gamble.

I wonder how one goes about renting the use of the plaza? Perhaps they are just using the small amphitheater at the west end of the pool, but that almost seems too small.

Have any of you heard radio adds promoting this?
     
     
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The biggest idiot I know just invited me to become a fan of Ric McIver on facebook. Good to see all is right it the world.
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