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Old Posted Apr 20, 2010, 9:34 PM
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Council Turnout

Granted, except it is usually the same councillor (yes 1 of 10) that is at these events. Granted a few more than the usual suspect turned out for Gehl when he was here last year.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2010, 11:02 PM
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2010, 11:58 PM
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Did anyone else go to this last night? I was captivated by the presentation and found the Regina case study really interesting. I didn't even know that Regina had gone through the process of developing (and now implementing) such an ambitious plan.

I especially liked how she attempted to tie in Saskatoon and the possibilities with our downtown at the end of the presentation.

It would have been great to see a few more Councillors out last night (there was one), but there were a handful of senior City Admin on hand....
Yes Regina's plan in implemented already and the new buildings going up right now are adhering to it. They are converting 11th ave and 12th to 2 way streets as we speak as part of the plan as well. 12th Ave is going to be shut down soon here to begin construction of the pedestrian event/cultural area where they will convert the road to paving stone, put up a large fountain that can be converted to a stage, art work, etc.

Office for Urbanism has a lot of great ideas. I asked earlier if Saskatoon had a downtown plan and this is what I was referring to. Good to hear!
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2010, 1:56 AM
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Yes Regina's plan in implemented already and the new buildings going up right now are adhering to it. They are converting 11th ave and 12th to 2 way streets as we speak as part of the plan as well. 12th Ave is going to be shut down soon here to begin construction of the pedestrian event/cultural area where they will convert the road to paving stone, put up a large fountain that can be converted to a stage, art work, etc.

Office for Urbanism has a lot of great ideas. I asked earlier if Saskatoon had a downtown plan and this is what I was referring to. Good to hear!
Also of note, Office for Urbanism is a big part of the stadium development group that put together the feasibility study that was released last month (Appendix 3) for the new Saskatchewan Sports and Entertainment Facility in Regina.

http://www.cicorp.sk.ca/pubs/2010%20Stadium%20Feasibility%20Study.html

They've done nothing but great work for Regina and hopefully they'll do the same for Saskatoon.
     
     
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which one?
I believe that it was Charlie Clark. Can anyone confirm this?

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Old Posted Apr 21, 2010, 8:23 AM
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I believe that it was Charlie Clark. Can anyone confirm this?
You are correct, he was the only Councillor that showed.

While I fully accept that Councillors have lives to live outside of their civic duties, and spent the day in meetings already, I think it's reasonable to have expected more than just one of them to show. It's not like a presentation like this happens every week. A less than two hour presentation and beer with community members afterward is a pretty manageable evening, I think. This isn't a budget meeting after all, it's a relaxed and informative evening.

I had a pretty long day of work and obligations on Monday too, but I was bound and determined to make this talk. Ideally, my city council should be bound and determined to make these talks too.

My disappointment stands.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2010, 5:59 PM
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Ok, thanks for the help. I don't know how simple our design for the bus terminal will be, but its going good. My design is something the city will probably never build cause its gonna be way over the top for our city haha. but thanks again everyone for input.
     
     
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Ok, thanks for the help. I don't know how simple our design for the bus terminal will be, but its going good. My design is something the city will probably never build cause its gonna be way over the top for our city haha. but thanks again everyone for input.
Never say never, you just never know. Good luck in your quest and when you get a chance please post some of your design ideas.
     
     
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Ok, thanks for the help. I don't know how simple our design for the bus terminal will be, but its going good. My design is something the city will probably never build cause its gonna be way over the top for our city haha. but thanks again everyone for input.
I bet if you sent it to the city you would stir up some possibility, don't rule out not making your idea something possible!
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2010, 9:39 PM
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Haha sorry if i sounded like a debby downer there, Yeah i'll post some renders and stuff when i have a chance after we are done.
     
     
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Ok, thanks for the help. I don't know how simple our design for the bus terminal will be, but its going good. My design is something the city will probably never build cause its gonna be way over the top for our city haha. but thanks again everyone for input.
It sounds like a fun project. Way over the top eh? I like it already

Do you learn much about labor/material costs through your course work? I think the last cost estimate for a new terminal went from $7 to 12 million (should be lower now).

Here's the most recent proposal...(you guys will create something much more fitting for downtown Saskatoon...no budget constraints right )

Source - Star Phoenix, Saturday, September 5th (print edition).

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I was really disappointed by the lack of turnout from Council, but it's not surprising. Overall though, I thought the turnout was great.

She certainly touched on most things that we discuss here on this forum often, but for the regular citizen who might not know much about planning or urban design, it would have been a very informative talk. She also had some great compliments and constructive things to say about Saskatoon, but I certainly was hoping for more of a focus on our city's specific situation. To be fair though, she is from Toronto and (admittedly) has only a fleeting familiarity with our city. I look forward to when her firm comes out with the city's Culture Plan. Should be interesting.

I think the work Great Places Saskatoon is doing is... well... great. I think they're helping to build a consciousness in this city and a critical mass of people that want change, and are educated about what they want. Their efforts can only do good.
Was it well attended? I had every intention of going but school wouldn't let up. I too was more interested in her assessment of Saskatoon. Oh well...hoping for another Great Places event over the summer.

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I had never seen any designs for a new terminal yet, so thats interesting to see, thanks! yeah ours is a little more ambitious. We don't learn about labor/material costs until later years really, learn mostly building codes, techniques, materials, etc. And yes no budget constraints. More so build whatever you want out of steel and make it curvy.
     
     
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Cool.

Curves eh? Sounds like it's going to be a wild bus terminal. Well, at least as wild as the current proposal; it has curves too (not enough though). Good luck!
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2010, 10:49 AM
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Engaged public means success

By Gerry Klein, The StarPhoenixApril 22, 2010 3:14 AM


It wasn't what Jennifer Keesmaat told a Broadway Theatre audience on Monday that was so impressive so much as to whom she said it.

Keesmaat is an Ontario-based city planner and partner with Office of Urbanism, a firm that specializes in developing plans for innovative urban areas.

For example, her company recently completed a plan for downtown Regina that -- if adopted and successful -- would change the area from an intensive working centre whose occupants return home at 5 p.m. to a place that not only accommodates some 25,000 day jobs but also provides intensive opportunities for residences and a vibrant cultural and retail environment.

Keesmaat was in Saskatoon for a presentation sponsored by Great Places, a forum established by local architects and the University of Saskatchewan's geography department.

I estimated at least 200 people took in Keesmaat's presentation on this unusually warm April evening. She pointed to various things that Saskatoon has done right over the years and cited reasons for optimism.

The downtown has developed a vibrancy that continues late into the evening. Saskatoon has been able to maintain a significant portion of its heritage through original architecture. There is a growing and diverse residential population in the centre of the city. And the placement of art makes it clear that culture is alive and well. All this in addition to the beauty of the river valley and Saskatoon's downtown parks.

Things like this don't happen by accident, Keesmaat pointed out. They are the products of far-thinking planners and councillors, and a great deal of public consultation.

This is not to say Saskatoon's downtown doesn't need work. It's just that there continues to be a lot to work with.

I've lost count of the meetings I have attended where Saskatoon's downtown was parsed. Some were frenetically exciting, others riotously angry. Some presented unrealistic and now unrealized visions, while others were overcome with the descriptions of challenges and too-limited possibilities.

Almost all, however, were well-attended. Many of those at Monday's meeting had been at some of those previous meetings. They attend such meetings because they have concerns or dreams about Saskatoon's future.

I have always been amazed that so many people remain engaged in a lengthy process such as downtown redevelopment without getting discouraged about the time it takes and the compromises that must be made to achieve results.

There are always some who can't let go of their disappointment. The debate over building a new art gallery at River Landing reflects the frustrations of those who refuse to let go of their vision. Instead, they accuse others of fomenting conspiracies or recklessly building empires rather than looking for the good of the whole.

Those gathered Monday in the Broadway Theatre, however, struck me as a collection of people willing to discuss possibilities rather than conspiracies. Mixed in among all the grey-heads was a healthy spattering of young people.

Perhaps two dozen of the young people were from the university's regional and urban planning course, according to its chair, assistant professor Ryan Walker. But they weren't there for credits, he hastily added. The school year is over and they were there only because they were interested in the talk.

If Saskatoon's downtown -- and by extension, the city -- is to succeed, it won't happen because of such things as whether the Lake Placid development is completed, the live-and-work Ecovillage in Riversdale gets a LEED certificate, the Art Gallery of Saskatchewan can match or blow away the Art Gallery of Alberta or if a secret formula is developed that's even more successful at getting people to live in the core.

It will hinge on the continued interest and involvement of the people -- particularly the young people -- who turned up to hear Keesmaat's talk.

Over the years I have seen plans that I thought would really enhance the downtown. I recall interviewing engineer Henry Feldkamp, now president of March Consulting Associates, about building a cover over 21st Street and Second Avenue to make them more pedestrian-friendly year round.

The development, which Feldkamp showed me were both financially and structurally sound and could be phased in over some years, would have profoundly changed the downtown and the way people see Saskatoon.

It never went ahead.

I also worried about the city's determination to build the Galaxy Theatre in its heart. I saw these complexes in mall districts in other cities and neither liked their looks nor had confidence they would attract people. I may not like the looks of the theatre now on Second Avenue and 20th Street, but there is no doubt about the impact it's had on Saskatoon's nightlife.

All of which is to say that there is no silver bullet to make a downtown successful. The formula will vary with each city.

But if there is an essential ingredient, it's the kind of public interest and involvement that brought more than 200 people out to hear Keesmaat speak. As long as that exists in spades in Saskatoon, we have little to worry about.

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An interview with Ken Achs and his latest project. Here is one guy we never want to see retire. Good stuff Ken


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Building a legacy

Developer Achs putting unique stamp on downtown

By Cassandra Kyle, The StarPhoenixApril 22, 2010 3:15 AM



Developer Ken Achs calls the planned revitalization of the Modern Press
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There's no mistaking a Saskatoon property Ken Achs has put his mark on.

From the building Starbucks fans line up to get into on Second Avenue and 22nd Street to, some would say most famously, the King George renovation and rehabilitation project just up the road, Achs' work stands out from the crowd.

The president and CEO of the Mid-West Group of Cos. and partner in Meridian Development Corp. took the time to answer five questions asked by StarPhoenix business reporter Cassandra Kyle about the development of Saskatoon.

SP: Through Meridian you saw the completion of the King George last year. Meanwhile, the Luxe project on Broadway is almost complete. What are your thoughts on those two projects?

KA: Unquestionably, (they are) the two highest-quality projects that have ever been built in Saskatoon. Nobody else is even close.

Most people -- developers -- don't show up on site, they just hire trades and subs and take what they give them and, you know, it's just the nature of the business. We're an anomaly in the business; we're infinitely more hands-on than 99 per cent of developers.

SP: Does Mid-West have any updated plans for a new head office after losing the bid to remodel the Arthur Cook building in the warehouse district?

KA: Yes. I just sent a letter to city council about all the time, energy and attention that has been spent on the south downtown and to date, virtually nothing has happened. They've totally neglected everything in north downtown.

My issue was that they studied and re-studied the bus mall, which should be gone, which has been a detriment to north downtown. They've been working for the last 10 years to have the 25th Street extension put through, with still no success. And at the same time, as a private developer, we've spent millions of dollars on projects starting from Starbucks to Frakas to King George with no conditions on it -- we just go ahead and build.

Our latest project is going to have the largest frontage of any development ever done in the downtown with the exception of Midtown Plaza. We're redoing the old Modern Press building and building a new four-storey office building on the corner. It involves about 400 feet of frontage on Second Avenue and it's going to be an A-class office building with parking. And, it's going to be unique.

We don't get any favours or any special concessions from the city; we just go ahead and do what we have to do to build it. And just for the overall well-being and health of the downtown core, it would be nice if the city could quit studying and focus on cleaning up some of the issues that have been there for years instead of spending all their time and money on south downtown.

SP: Do you think the city's current plan for River Landing is in the best interest of Saskatoon residents?

KA: Ask me in 10 years. I don't know, I would like to see something happen there but it's crystal-ball gazing.

If you were to ask anybody in the downtown core in 1968 whether they felt Midtown Plaza was a positive step in the downtown, they would have said, absolutely, 'No.' But the reality is, if it wasn't for Midtown Plaza, Saskatoon's downtown core would be dead.

So, it's hard to say. It depends on the development, the time, how user-friendly it is, if it gets built, all of the above.

SP: What area of the city would you like to see developed further?

KA: The warehouse district -- it's the biggest secret in Saskatoon. It's probably the largest piece of undeveloped core land in any western Canadian city and it's just a secret.

To be fair to the city, there are issues dealing with the railroad, but after 10 years plus you would think you could put a deal together some way.

SP: What projects do you have on the go this year?

KA: The only thing that I have on the drawing board is our new office building and that's kind of a last hurrah here. I don't want to retire, but I don't want to be as active as I have been and I just want to have a good home for our staff and leave something for the city.

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/\ I detect a bit of bitterness directed towards our civic officials, and he make a valid point.

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Our latest project is going to have the largest frontage of any development ever done in the downtown with the exception of Midtown Plaza. We're redoing the old Modern Press building and building a new four-storey office building on the corner. It involves about 400 feet of frontage on Second Avenue and it's going to be an A-class office building with parking. And, it's going to be unique.
I've always like the Modern Press building and never really considered it a candidate for a face lift, but what they hell. I eagerly await the release of the renders of the 4 storey office building. I've long felt that stretch of 2nd is underutilized and could serve as the commercial strip for the relatively high density area that starts one block east. Not that this project will do much on that front but its still progress.
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I am a little nervous about touching the Modern Press building. It's one of the few examples of Streamline Moderne architecture in Saskatoon (others being the Adilman Building and various small houses in Nutana). I'd hate to see them mess with the façade. As for the new office building, I hope it is a modern building that is respectful of the Modern Press building's historic character.

This is an interesting article I found on the subject of new buildings in amongst historic ones, and the dangers of invented historicism:
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I've always like the Modern Press building and never really considered it a candidate for a face lift, but what they hell. I eagerly await the release of the renders of the 4 storey office building. I've long felt that stretch of 2nd is underutilized and could serve as the commercial strip for the relatively high density area that starts one block east. Not that this project will do much on that front but its still progress.
     
     
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Also nervous with the fate of the Modern Press building. It is a standout in downtown for the right reasons already. How they intend to 'redo' it I'm not so sure.

drm310, would you consider their current head office (one block north of MP) Streamline Moderne, or is it an example of invented historicism? Not sure when it was built, but it has a few elements like rounded corners and glass block walls if I recall correctly.

The new head office sounds promising. I'm anxious to see what they've drawn up.
     
     
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If Ken is doing it, you can be sure that he will think about the design of the building and may try to maintain it. Any building he has done with some history has maintained most of it's past. Ken has been a great supporter of keeping Saskatoon unique and I can't see him changing that now. We need more people like Ken doing developements in Saskatoon.
     
     
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I'm drawing a blank on past Achs projects right now...

- Starbucks, 22nd and 2nd
- CPR Station
- King George

I know he's got so much more under his belt. Any help?
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