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Old Posted Nov 27, 2009, 8:21 PM
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There's a difference between a Country being "bankrupt" and two crown corporations asking for time to re-pay a $60 billion loan. All of these corporations could go bankrupt, and leave everything else still standing. It's why every development has it's own company name aside from the developer, so that if the project goes belly up, it doesn't bring the developer down with it. Perfect example of this is Arriva in Calgary, which has 1 of 3 towers complete, and the other two stopped below ground level. Arriva is bankrupt, Torode, the developer, is not. AND, if Dubai really was "bankrupt" the stock market would have gone down a lot more than 155 points, considering them and China kind of own America.

So, Emirates Airlines, a completely separate entity, is unlikely to see any changes as a result of this.
We may have just seen the tip of the iceberg here. HSBC is apparently heavily exposed. It will be interesting to see the effect on Emirates.

One look at Dubai and everyone should have seen it was a classic bubble devloping.
     
     
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Terminal frustration: Why are airports such hellholes of design?
Globe and Mail
Lisa Rochon

When they separated the women from the men, things turned ugly at Frankfurt am Main airport.

Three hundred of us, business commuters and sleep-deprived tourists, were crammed into a windowless room. We'd been trudging along the cattle lines for nearly an hour, and security officials were ignoring requests to move people ahead who risked missing connecting flights. Only four X-ray machines were staffed that morning. As the pace slowed from a crawl to a standstill, it became clear there weren't enough female employees to perform security pat-downs on female flyers.

Realizing I was about to miss my flight to Venice, I protested loudly about the absurdity of the system. The women behind me joined in. The security guards laughed at us. And, just to further the humiliation under the fluorescent lights, an armed police officer with grey wolf eyes appeared out of nowhere to stand a metre in front of me. That was when, in my mind, Frankfurt Airport became Frankfurt Alcatraz.

How did we land here? Postwar, airports were conceived as beacons of the future. Think of the sensuous swells of concrete by architect Eero Saarinen for New York's 1962 TWA Airport, now John F. Kennedy International. Implicit within the grace of those exhilarating curves was a spirit of optimism: space travel, the Jetsons, the arrival of Camelot. Badly designed airports, with endless underground corridors, and floor plans interrupted by stairs, elevators and ramps, are the curse of mass travel.

Somehow, over the last couple of decades, the elegance of air travel has been demolished. Gone is the notion that the airport is a symbol of seduction for the city that lay just beyond. Airports have become their own bloated cities, with restaurants, nail salons, enormous shopping malls and gated communities jealously guarded by first-class travellers.

I missed my flight to Venice, so there was plenty of time to think about airports these days. It seems that either you find yourself in a punishing, prison-like fortress such as Frankfurt's, or you land in an exquisite zone of high design, as I did a few days later in Zurich. There, floors are richly veined limestone; ticket desks are crafted in wood, with corners displaying intricate joinery; the interior is a composition of all that is modern and minimal. Passengers are separated into more intimate departure zones with smaller, fast-moving lineups. I nearly skipped through.

Based on my movements around the world, here are some thumbnail observations on the kinds of airports dotting the most intensely populated parts of the planet.

Light-filled, guilt-free shopping cathedrals

Since the 1990s, a new generation of airport has been designed with an epic use of glass and barely visible steel. There's more room to move, breathe – and, especially, shop duty-free. Kansai International Airport, a major hub for Asia, is located on an artificial island in Osaka Bay, Japan. It's designed by Italian architect Renzo Piano as a 1.7-kilometre-long structure curved to resemble an airfoil. Riding on its bright red people mover – the Wing Shuttle – is a dazzling experience.

The new Terminal 1 at Toronto Pearson, led by design architect Moshe Safdie, contains too many level changes, but its sky-high glass rooms and clean signage by Pentagram Design can inspire the world traveller. The monumental Beijing airport, opened last year in time for the Olympics, pursues a similar building type as that of Kansai and of Stansted (1991), a major hub for low-cost charters located northeast of London. At Beijing (designed, as was Stansted, by Foster + Partners), there's attention to a more sustainable terminal building, and a colour range that shifts from red to yellow as passengers move through.

Airports designed with some heart and soul

Scandinavia figured out a long time ago the value of an airport as a tactile, sensory experience. For one thing, it makes you fall immediately in love with the country. Danish architect Arne Jacobsen delivered the Scandinavian Airlines System hotel and airline terminal (1960) in Copenhagen as a Babette's feast of visual delights. He designed everything from the organically shaped furniture to the lamps, textiles and door handles. (The tableware was later used by Stanley Kubrick for the set of 2001:A Space Odyssey. ) Travel to Scandinavia – whether Copenhagen, Oslo or Stockholm – to see what I mean. Everything from the sensitively designed baby-change tables to the dark wood flooring in Stockholm-Arlanda Terminal 5 is memorable.

Kuala Lumpur international airport (1998) in Malaysia, by the late Japanese star architect Kisho Kurokawa, is exhilarating and regionally inspired. The wood-clad parabolic roof presents as a series of tents or Islamic domes. Outside, the extended roof structure offers shade from the glaring sun.

Vancouver International Airport is a standout for its use of wood, water and its display of aboriginal art, including Bill Reid's sculpture in bronze, The Spirit of Haida Gwaii . Drawing from local sources, it will create positive first impressions for those arriving for next year's Olympics.

Places to hobble the weak, the old, the exhausted

Here, my first nomination is Caracas, for the hoops, the paperwork, the special fees required to fly in and out of Venezuela – and because it's a death-defying trip to travel into the dangerous city from the airport.

For its enormous size and endless, exhausting corridors, there's the gargantuan Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, designed on a scale to damage the mind and body; it has a lot in common with Heathrow, Frankfurt and Paris Charles de Gaulle.

A saving grace at Schiphol: For those who discover that their flight has changed gates and that another half-marathon is required to relocate one's self, carry-on baggage and, perhaps, an ailing aunt, there are some very cool resting lounges. Under dimmed lights, framed by walls of dark wood, it's possible to bunk down in a well-designed chair and grab a nap. That's the kind of human gesture that architects of future airports need to observe, ingest and move ahead on.

In the meantime, I'm flying clear of Frankfurt.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts...such-hellholes-of-design/article1380252/
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2009, 3:34 AM
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^Shaking my head.

I mean, yes, Frankfurt's airport is fairly rudimentary, though it's clean and efficient.

But I shudder at the thought of some diva Toronto journalist throwing a hissy-fit at security, which I'm sure was met with some German chuckles at best, and at worst some stern awkwardness.

Thanks for posting that, though. Interesting read, to say the least.

By the way, has anyone on this forum ever actually flown to Frankfurt with the intention of actually visiting the city (and not transferring somewhere else?)
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2009, 3:37 AM
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At least Rochon is nice to YVR.

Here's what Anthony Perl, the professor of transportation at SFU, had to say about our airport in a Vancouver Magazine article earlier this year:

"What we show people there is an embalmed version of B.C. nature and culture. You have fake water, fake bird noises—it’s like being in a mausoleum.

Even the smell is like embalming fluid. It’s different from other airports, where you’re fed through a chute like cattle, so maybe that has some benefit—it certainly shocks you."



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*l* funny you mention it, I've been in Frankfurts airport about a couple dozen times and the only time I ever left the airport was due to a delayed flight and had to be holed up at a hotel overnight. Didn't get a chance to see the city though.
     
     
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So, I expect she won't be complaining the next time she goes through a metal detector, and a male security agent has to feel her up because she set it off ? It seems like an efficient system... assuming it is done the way I would assume, with female wanders... and not having to wait for one to be called over. And no, I can't say the thought to actually explore Frankfurt has occurred to me. Though, I'm sure it is a lovely city!

Though my friend in Germany says it is a terribly boring place, and one ought to go directly to Hamburg

Anyways, I advise Ms. Rochon to steer clear of the middle east if she can't handle segregated gender based security lines.
     
     
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For YVR-europe flights, FRA beats LHR anytime. (haven't been there since their new terminal opened, though).

I've always experienced efficient service with minimal waits there. I remember seeing how they had a special return chute for the XR-scanner trays (ie. guards didn't have to carry the trays back to the head of the line, they slide them down, similar to a bowling ball return.)

At LHR, i've always had a delay in trying to find a gate once we land, and all the shops have super-expensive british prices! (as opposed to regularly expensive euro prices at FRA).

Never been to the city, though....
     
     
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So, I expect she won't be complaining the next time she goes through a metal detector, and a male security agent has to feel her up because she set it off ? It seems like an efficient system... assuming it is done the way I would assume, with female wanders... and not having to wait for one to be called over. And no, I can't say the thought to actually explore Frankfurt has occurred to me. Though, I'm sure it is a lovely city!

Though my friend in Germany says it is a terribly boring place, and one ought to go directly to Hamburg

Anyways, I advise Ms. Rochon to steer clear of the middle east if she can't handle segregated gender based security lines.
If you read the note more clearly... she's not concerned about segregation... but the fact that she was missing her flight due to understaffing at the wrong time.
     
     
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If you read the note more clearly... she's not concerned about segregation... but the fact that she was missing her flight due to understaffing at the wrong time.
Actually, though, I think she's pretty bang on for most of the airports she assessed.

Kuala Lumpur is indeed a gorgeous, if underutilized airport. Copenhagen is cool. Frankfurt is terrible (I actually prefer going through London Heathrow -- at least there are things to do when transferring). I don't agree with her on Osaka Kansai or Stockholm Arlanda. Kansai is rather sterile and Arlanda seemed to go on forever.

For my money, though, give me Singapore Changi or Hong Kong International Airport. From a design perspective, there are few airports designed better than Hong Kong's. Upon arrival through immigration through baggage claim and onto the Airport Express there isn't a single elevator, escalator or level change -- which is great if you have luggage to carry.

I'm not sure whether Vancouverites realize how lucky they are when it comes to their airport. The Airport Authority runs a pretty tight ship. They've put together a great facility without throwing a huge amount of money at it and are still able to keep landing charges for airlines very competitive.
     
     
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For YVR-europe flights, FRA beats LHR anytime. (haven't been there since their new terminal opened, though).

I've always experienced efficient service with minimal waits there. I remember seeing how they had a special return chute for the XR-scanner trays (ie. guards didn't have to carry the trays back to the head of the line, they slide them down, similar to a bowling ball return.)
Same thing at LHR's new terminal 5, with a vision system controlling the exit belt that stops the belt when a loaded tray arrives in its field of view and starts it again when it detects that the tray is empty. Quite clever.

My main beef with FRA the few times I've connected there is that the A340-600 which LH flies from here is too long to park at the gate, so you have to do the stairs-and-shuttle-bus shuffle.
     
     
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OTTAWA — The Vancouver International Airport will undergo a radical transformation between now and February, but officials must work hard to ensure they can properly welcome visitors to the Olympic Games in Canada’s two official languages, said officials from the event’s organizing committee on Monday.


Passenger jets taxi and take off at Vancouver International Airport in July 2008.Photograph by: Mark van Manen, Canwest News Service

“I think as we get closer to the games, you will see a remarkable difference in how the airport looks,” the organizing committee’s CEO John Furlong told a Senate committee on official languages. “We’re optimistic it will become a very good part of the overall story between now and Feb. 12.”


The federal government’s language watchdog, Graham Fraser, has repeatedly warned that the airport is failing in its obligations to provide services in French, and must make drastic changes before the event starts to ensure it reflects Canada’s linguistic duality.


Paul Levy, the vice-president of planning for the event at the airport authority, said the problems were not a question of having enough funding, but rather the challenge of trying to co-ordinate preparations among 26,000 workers at the airport from different agencies, airlines and merchants.


“The challenge has been with some of our tenants to provide the service,” Levy told the senators. “We’ve got work to do there, I acknowledge that.”


But he said the airport was actively recruiting new staff and volunteers to provide services in French and assist merchants such as car rental companies to serve customers in both official languages. A toll-free number will also be offered to provide translation help for the merchants or customers if needed.


Last September, Heritage Minister James Moore said he believed there was still time left to address all concerns about bilingualism, announcing $7.7 million in new federal funding for that purpose.


“Clearly the government has made the question of official languages a priority for the Games and it’s a priority that we share,” said Levy. “The work that is happening will now create a lasting legacy at YVR (the Vancouver airport).”


The airport was also planning to test its merchants and partners in the coming weeks and during the event with a “mystery traveller” who would check if they were providing adequate services.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vancouv...re+Olympics+officials/2287095/story.html
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We may have just seen the tip of the iceberg here. HSBC is apparently heavily exposed. It will be interesting to see the effect on Emirates.

One look at Dubai and everyone should have seen it was a classic bubble devloping.
I saw a BBC news clip late last year saying that foreigners who had moved to Dubai to get rich quick during the boom were leaving the country in droves. They would abandon their car at the airport - unlocked & keys on the drivers seat - with the keys &tc to their abandoned home / condo on the passenger seat with a "Buh-Bye" note.
     
     
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I'd go to Dubai and scour the parking lot for free cars and apartments, but, I fear, I could end up opening the wrong car and leave Dubai with one less arm.
     
     
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One of the biggest issues that helped with their crash, is their own laws. Foreigners are second class and never have the rights of citzens. If you lose your job you must leave the country within 30days, but you are obligated to pay all your debts before you leave, otherwise you go to jail. So pretty well you had 30days to find another job in the middle of the economic crisis. Since that wasn't possible, and most of these people are educated with options back home, they simple all packed up and left town in the middle of the night. Leaving behind cars, condos, everything they had there to avoid going to jail. The complete flooding of the market of these condos certainly did not help them.
Cars on the other hand, one could probably make a killing buying them up at a fraction of their price and reselling them elsewhere.
     
     
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Came in to YVR today. They sure are ready for the Olympics. There are Coca Cola Olympic billboards everywhere, and every single pole in the place is wrapped with Samsung Olympic art (though, I struggled to find even one depicting Ice Hockey, there simply wasn't one ). I also took the Canada Line home, it was enjoyable and quick. VERY busy, there was a large group of school children on today, I suppose perhaps they visited the observation area. Luckily I don't mind wrestling a 9 year old for a seat.

They are EVERYWHERE!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/syume/4157072374/

The lovely link building

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Totem pole with a freakin' laser.

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looks good - is the construction in there done? last time i was there there were still large areas blocked off
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No, there is still quite a bit of construction in the baggage claim areas before the elevators that take you to the 4th floor of the Link Building.
     
     
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Why is there such a lack of moving sidewalks at YVR?? Every other major airport I've been to seems to have them in spades.
     
     
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Why is there such a lack of moving sidewalks at YVR?? Every other major airport I've been to seems to have them in spades.
Whenever I go through YVR, I don't seem to miss the lack of moving sidewalks. We have relatively well-spaced gates and when you do have to walk, its usually in a nicely spaced atrium with plenty of shops and architecture to distract you.
     
     
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I never found that an issue either. In the Int'l Terminal, moving walkways are right after the security check point. The end of the moving walkway is the foodcourt/river/aquarium area, and after that, are more moving walkways.
     
     
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