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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 5:18 AM
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Thanks, Solarwind. This is one of the few lakefront-skyline-changing designs that really hasn't been covered until now. Great shots.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 5:30 AM
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Nice to see some 600 nLSD shots.

This is off topic, perhaps Steely can manage the situation? new thread?

If I were to design a logo/T-shirt for SSP-Chicago...I'd like to get input for ideas. I kind of have an idea in my head, but I'd like other people's ideas too. (This is a community after all). Featured Building? Color? Style? Phrase/Motto?
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 5:39 AM
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Unless something has changed in the last few days, the site looks pretty much the same as it did on May 1.



I stopped by this past week and no work was being done. I even had my camera and didn't take any pictures which is unusual for me
I went to my friends apt which DIRECTLY overlooks this site. His balcony is on the 6th floor right over the site. It looks like some work had been done since this shot. Drilling into the ground. I wish I had taken a pic.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 12:54 PM
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^ Yeah - I walked by the site on Sat. and I wasn't positive but there appeared to be at least one caisson shaft......
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 12:58 PM
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3660 in danger? I'd be surprised if it were even still in existence as we know it. Invsco seems to have a tough time with its new developments here, at least, as far as I can see.

But if they ever did get around to starting it up, I think it would be a pretty easy sell, even in a tough market. There is virtually no comparable product in that neighborhood, so competition would be much less, and there might be untapped demand.

I think South Loop is holding up pretty well, no? If so, that might be good news for Park Michigan. But until Park 1000 is nearly T/O, I'm not going to get too worked up about Park Michigan, as much as I want it to be built.

I think Invsco might be trying to sell the 3660 LSD site.......
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I just called the sales center, and they said August is when construction should start.

Again we'll see.

A couple months ago, I saw an Aug. start posted in Bidclerk.com for Park 1000. There were rumors a while back that Renaissant was going to sell this project (around the time Coldwell Banker left as the marketer), but it seems now that they are actually committed to getting this one underway. For what it's worth, the sales agents were reporting it was over 60% sold as of a few months ago...
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 1:09 PM
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Fire.... Spire....

Cala said the design was inspired by an Indian fire....

I think we may be onto something!



Anyway, great news on the Peshtigo. To be completely honest, I think Ralph Johnson's stuff includes some of the best residential buildings built in the last 50 years in Chicago. (He has a building now in Dubai - that's literally called "The Buildings" even though it is one structure).

Also, am I right to assume that the Gonzalez Hasbrouck design has been abandoned?

I saw a Peshtigo rendering as well a couple years ago. I had a positive first impression. I would be surprised though if Related started marketing it anytime soon, unless it's some sort of JV or something, yet why would they but a sales trailer up there so long before launching....hhmm..............Couldn't agree with you more about the quality of Ralph Johnson's work. Is Gonzalez Hasbrouck the firm that just merged with DeStefano, or is it another Gonzalez?? (reported in this week's Crains...)
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Steely, change this baby to under construction, I will go past the site after work for confirmation.
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I went to my friends apt which DIRECTLY overlooks this site. His balcony is on the 6th floor right over the site. It looks like some work had been done since this shot. Drilling into the ground. I wish I had taken a pic.
When I went by the silver on the brown line this past Friday there was a lot more stuff in the area than when I can see in this photo. Even looked like those steel things they put down the holes when doing cassions.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 2:26 PM
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Yeah. . . I drove by Silver Tower this morning on my way back into town and it certainly looked to me like they were working. . .
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...the only reason a building named "the Peshtigo" raises such alarm bells is that the only thing it is known for is burning down (because it is a pissass small town, no offense to any Peshtigoians)....

Peshtigo is hardly "pissass". Although I was born and raised in Chicago I presently live 7 miles from Peshtigo and I can affirm here that it is a very nice small city. Although small is relative here. Peshtigo has more than one claim to fame. It, along with Peshtigo Harbor and the other lumbering towns along the west side of Green Bay, provided much of the raw material that built Chicago both before and after the 1871 fire. Thus Chicago's recognition of the town in its naming of Peshtigo Court. I think most Peshtigoans will be pleased to know a proposed skyscraper my be named after them.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 5:20 PM
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By Greg Hinz

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Mayor Daley is so taken with the subsidy that he uses it for undeserving projects

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?article_id=27955

Gov. Rod Blagojevich and legislative leaders made headlines last week when they huddled in search of $100 million to keep the Chicago Transit Authority from slashing service and ratcheting up fares.

No agreement was reached. Important as public transit is, $100 million is serious money, even in Springfield.

But apparently not in Chicago.

In a pair of actions that have received far less attention, City Hall in recent days announced plans to write even bigger subsidy checks — totaling a cool $108.8 million — for developments located down the block from each other on the Near West Side. The two mixed-use projects combined would dump 500 condos and 1.05 million square feet of office space on the market, at a time when downtown condo sales have dropped for seven quarters in a row and Chicago has one of the weakest office markets in the country.

Why do developers get bags of gold for less-than-vital projects while commuters wear out good shoe leather waiting on Springfield? That question ought to rekindle a much-needed debate over Mayor Richard M. Daley's favorite honey pot: tax-increment financing.

Handled right, TIF districts can be valuable tools to spur the rebirth of lagging neighborhoods. Stripped of all the big words, a TIF is simply a means to lever development today by borrowing against increased property tax revenue such development would generate tomorrow.

Mr. Daley truly loves TIFs, and at times has used them well. Spending a few million TIF dollars to lure Boeing Co. here provided a badly needed boost to Chicago's reputation as an international business center. Similar potential exists in a pending deal in which a rare local high-tech success, Navteq Inc., would get $5 million to keep its headquarters and 550 jobs here and add 350 more Chicago workers.

But, as in any long-term relationship, Mr. Daley increasingly has taken TIFs for granted. With more than $386 million in TIF revenue becoming available every year, it's too easy to spend it on frills, not priorities. Like on the Near West Side.

In the first deal, the administration wants up to $51 million in subsidies for a $310-million project to convert the old Main Post Office into offices, condos and a 236-room hotel. In the second, $58.8 million would go toward a similar, $457-million office-condo-hotel project involving Union Station and a tower that would be built atop it.

Officials argue that both projects have languished for years because of special, expensive factors — the Post Office has lots of asbestos, Union Station is a registered landmark — and that neither will get done without help.
Some outsiders agree that the market eventually will absorb the space, and the Post Office surely is a big eyesore now.

City officials make one other argument: The projects will pay for themselves, since the subsidies would be front-funded with the developers' future property tax payments. But that may not be true, at least not completely.

A recent study by Cook County Commissioner Michael Quigley concluded that 40% of "extra" revenue generated by growth in TIF districts isn't extra at all but the result of inflation and other natural growth that would have occurred without subsidies. Since TIF districts force up taxes for everyone else — taxing bodies just raise their rates to make up for what they don't get within TIF districts — Mr. Quigley figures the median Chicago homeowner now pays a TIF tax of at least $93 a year, a total of $140 million.

Even if that figure is overstated — Mr. Quigley says it's understated — imagine the reaction if Jane Byrne or Harold Washington had proposed such subsidies with minimal public review while schools and transit were begging. This $108 million could go to build schools or CTA stations, market the East Loop to small business or jump-start the Create plan to boost freight rail here. Is the priority really more development in what already is the hottest office submarket in town, near the commuter train stations?

Both these deals still need final City Council approval. The question before aldermen: Is this the best use for $108 million?
     
     
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Both these deals still need final City Council approval. The question before aldermen: Is this the best use for $108 million?

Hear hear. Great article.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 5:48 PM
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Is Gonzalez Hasbrouck the firm that just merged with DeStefano, or is it another Gonzalez?? (reported in this week's Crains...)
Yes, I am nearly certain it is. Gonzalez was a former employee of SOM.
     
     
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Peshtigo is hardly "pissass". Although I was born and raised in Chicago I presently live 7 miles from Peshtigo and I can affirm here that it is a very nice small city. Although small is relative here. Peshtigo has more than one claim to fame. It, along with Peshtigo Harbor and the other lumbering towns along the west side of Green Bay, provided much of the raw material that built Chicago both before and after the 1871 fire. Thus Chicago's recognition of the town in its naming of Peshtigo Court. I think most Peshtigoans will be pleased to know a proposed skyscraper my be named after them.
When I say pissass, I mean small. Since I was comparing Peshtigo and Chicago in that sentance one can hardly say Peshtigo is any but pissass... I've been there many times too (I was born in Green Bay and my entire family lives in the fox valley area), I agree that it is indeed a very nice little town, I did not mean to imply that Peshtigo is of low quality, only that it is small...
     
     
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Walked by MOMO tonight. Am I just tipsy or are they finally changing the glass at the base? Looks like some of the white exterior cladding has been removed too.
None of the glass has been changed as of yet, but some cladding has definitely been removed.
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CTA wants 100 mil right? I like the Post Office the way it is, and I can wait a while to see Union Station grow 18 stories, this is the 100 mil CTA's looking for, cuz it sure as hell wont come from Springfield...
     
     
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^ yeah, seriously. I ride the blue line everyday, and it kind of blows how much ridership they have, but how much money they still need. I think they would need something around a billion dollars to fix the blue line, though
     
     
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I walked past Staybridge Suites and Silver Tower at lunch today. Both are under construction. They were drilling caissons at the southeast corner of the Staybridge Suites site and the east section of Silver Tower's site. Both were active sites with many workers busy. It was nice to see that.
     
     
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By Greg Hinz

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Mayor Daley is so taken with the subsidy that he uses it for undeserving projects

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?article_id=27955

Gov. Rod Blagojevich and legislative leaders made headlines last week when they huddled in search of $100 million to keep the Chicago Transit Authority from slashing service and ratcheting up fares.

No agreement was reached. Important as public transit is, $100 million is serious money, even in Springfield.

But apparently not in Chicago.

In a pair of actions that have received far less attention, City Hall in recent days announced plans to write even bigger subsidy checks — totaling a cool $108.8 million — for developments located down the block from each other on the Near West Side. The two mixed-use projects combined would dump 500 condos and 1.05 million square feet of office space on the market, at a time when downtown condo sales have dropped for seven quarters in a row and Chicago has one of the weakest office markets in the country.

Why do developers get bags of gold for less-than-vital projects while commuters wear out good shoe leather waiting on Springfield? That question ought to rekindle a much-needed debate over Mayor Richard M. Daley's favorite honey pot: tax-increment financing.

Handled right, TIF districts can be valuable tools to spur the rebirth of lagging neighborhoods. Stripped of all the big words, a TIF is simply a means to lever development today by borrowing against increased property tax revenue such development would generate tomorrow.

Mr. Daley truly loves TIFs, and at times has used them well. Spending a few million TIF dollars to lure Boeing Co. here provided a badly needed boost to Chicago's reputation as an international business center. Similar potential exists in a pending deal in which a rare local high-tech success, Navteq Inc., would get $5 million to keep its headquarters and 550 jobs here and add 350 more Chicago workers.

But, as in any long-term relationship, Mr. Daley increasingly has taken TIFs for granted. With more than $386 million in TIF revenue becoming available every year, it's too easy to spend it on frills, not priorities. Like on the Near West Side.

In the first deal, the administration wants up to $51 million in subsidies for a $310-million project to convert the old Main Post Office into offices, condos and a 236-room hotel. In the second, $58.8 million would go toward a similar, $457-million office-condo-hotel project involving Union Station and a tower that would be built atop it.

Officials argue that both projects have languished for years because of special, expensive factors — the Post Office has lots of asbestos, Union Station is a registered landmark — and that neither will get done without help.
Some outsiders agree that the market eventually will absorb the space, and the Post Office surely is a big eyesore now.

City officials make one other argument: The projects will pay for themselves, since the subsidies would be front-funded with the developers' future property tax payments. But that may not be true, at least not completely.

A recent study by Cook County Commissioner Michael Quigley concluded that 40% of "extra" revenue generated by growth in TIF districts isn't extra at all but the result of inflation and other natural growth that would have occurred without subsidies. Since TIF districts force up taxes for everyone else — taxing bodies just raise their rates to make up for what they don't get within TIF districts — Mr. Quigley figures the median Chicago homeowner now pays a TIF tax of at least $93 a year, a total of $140 million.

Even if that figure is overstated — Mr. Quigley says it's understated — imagine the reaction if Jane Byrne or Harold Washington had proposed such subsidies with minimal public review while schools and transit were begging. This $108 million could go to build schools or CTA stations, market the East Loop to small business or jump-start the Create plan to boost freight rail here. Is the priority really more development in what already is the hottest office submarket in town, near the commuter train stations?

Both these deals still need final City Council approval. The question before aldermen: Is this the best use for $108 million?

He asks some very good questions. The whole TIF project awarding (and creation and renewal of entire districts for that matter) needs to see some additional sunshine in this city...
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