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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 5:00 AM
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^^^ You know i kind of agree. Even with the few bone head buildings that are being built right now, there are several very high quality buildings under construction. I don't think me or any of the other forumers will ever be satisfied until we build a 200 story St. Peter's Cathedral of skyscrapers buildings, but you have to be pretty happy with the current state of everything. I think once the bulk of buildings are finished in the upcoming 3 years and inhabited, the desirability of the city should continue to compound. At that same time the olympic announcement could happen, spurring yet another boom. Perhaps with some big hotels? So like was said above, i am not to worried if a few select parcels remain undeveloped. I think i would most like to see the south loop, west loop, river west, old town (and other near downtown) neighborhoods fill in there parking lots with solid 3-6 story buildings. You know, get some good solid Parisian like building density!
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Maybe someone has already reported this, but Walton on the Park appears to be in site development. A new sales office is on the site and everything is walled off. Things look like they are moving. Page 1 still shows this project as "proposed"
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 3:40 PM
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300 N. Michigan project may be dead. Peebles Corp walked away from the deal due to slumping condo market in downtown.
I hope this isn't completely dead and that maybe some other developer could take over much like Kelleher did with Carley. And from what I saw of the initial plans for the sight, I'm sure most here would be more than happy and possibly have to change their pants.
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And from what I saw of the initial plans for the sight, I'm sure most here would be more than happy and possibly have to change their pants.
wait, you saw preliminary design images for this one!?! lucky bastard.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 4:34 PM
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I would say that given the Chicago real-estate market is quite saturated with condos at this point in time - especially high-end condos (with Trump, Legacy, MO, Waterview, the upcoming Spire, etc.) - that we might be better off having the few visible and prominent locations be developed a few years from now as opposed to right now. Since there is such a large supply of condos on the market, the would-be developer of the visible and prominent 300 North Michigan site proposed a building that was only 50 stories (yes I know, this is still fairly high, but for this site we can do better)....and felt that the economics of a 50-story building at such a great location is currently not feasible. I think that our city would be better served to let this enormous supply of condos get saturated over the next couple years or so.....and then once the supply has dwindled, supertall buildings close to, if not greater than 1,000 feet will have a much greater chance of success at 300 North Michigan and the few other remaining visible and prominent locations downtown.
Agree^ The very high-end is pretty crowded at the moment (and I'm assuming that's were Peebles wanted to go with this project), so I'm not surprised this decision was made right now. Developers who currently have projects in early planning stages and would normally be tempted to build condo projects with unit sales price targets of $600+ per sq ft should really instead consider building denser developments (especially because the city seems to be increasingly amenable to denser) at $350-450 per sq ft where possible. I think there is still a lot of untapped demand right now in the right locations at those price points...
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Is that a transfer floor that they just completed?
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Evans Construction

Just curious if anyone is familiar with this construction firm. I'm assuming they're a GC. Just wondering, as I'm not familiar, and I noticed in recent weeks that they have signage posted at numerous projects that have just recently begun/about to begin construction, inculding Superior 110, Silver Tower and 10 E. Delaware...
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Just curious if anyone is familiar with this construction firm. I'm assuming they're a GC. Just wondering, as I'm not familiar, and I noticed in recent weeks that they have signage posted at numerous projects that have just recently begun/about to begin construction, inculding Superior 110, Silver Tower and 10 E. Delaware...
I've heard of them. Their offices are in the River East Art Center, at least they used to be.
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June Plan Commission

A proposed Amendment to Residential Business Planned Development No. 1005
submitted by Urban R2 Development Company for the property generally located at 618-
30 West Washington Street
. The applicant proposes to amend the development to
increase the dwelling unit count from 190 to 215. The approved project includes a 250-
foot mixed-use building to contain approximately 14,000 square feet of ground floor
retail, dwelling units and 255 parking spaces. (42nd Ward)

A proposed Residential Planned Development submitted by SEC Sheridan Irving Park,
LLC for the property located at 943-57 West Irving Park Road. The Applicant proposes
to construct a 12-story residential building containing 87 units, 87 parking spaces and
neighborhood-orientated business use/residential support use on the
ground floor. (46th Ward)

A proposed amendment to Business Planned Development No. 790 at the property
generally located at 505-515 North State Street submitted by Royal Tallahassee III 2,
LLC. The applicant proposes to construct a 34 story mixed use building with
approximately 121 residential units, 259 hotel rooms and 113 off street parking spaces on
the site. (42ndWard)
     
     
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Lake and State

There is new construction fencing around the property now bocking the side walk and going out into Lake street. This is the project that is just south of Unitin Building on State. Looks like Walsh is doing it. Several trucks down in the site. Can someone refresh my memory is this going to be a hotel?
     
     
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There is new construction fencing around the property now bocking the side walk and going out into Lake street. This is the project that is just south of Unitin Building on State. Looks like Walsh is doing it. Several trucks down in the site. Can someone refresh my memory is this going to be a hotel?
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Beat me to it Bvic -- the "Wit Hotel" and I believe its kind of equivalent to a W Hotel?
     
     
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I've been away for awhile, but it looks like 10 buildings under construction have jumped there craines. Love the progress!
     
     
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Maybe someone has already reported this, but Walton on the Park appears to be in site development. A new sales office is on the site and everything is walled off. Things look like they are moving. Page 1 still shows this project as "proposed"
Good catch. I didn't even notice that when I was taking pictures of The Elysian. But sure enough, there it is up at the top. It says Sales Center on the corner.

     
     
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Is that a transfer floor that they just completed?

Sam, it's a good question. I was waiting a bit to see if one of our resident engineers would answer it for us. I've been trying to figure out the structural logic in this thing for a while now. It's rather bizarre, as the few pilotis on the ground floor change into a more tightly-spaced column layout for the parking floors, then back again over that beam you call our attention to, only to return to the tighter spacing.

I've come to the conclusion that this has nothing to do with practical engineering purposes and instead has to do with the design of the building. Presumably, as this building will have in-fill glazing instead of a curtainwall, the architects wanted a particular column size between penetrations instead of just having the wider span and then using a secondary member to give lateral support to the curtain where necessary. One could also reduce the thickness of the slab due to the added columns, but really, I don't think the spacing is changed so radically where it makes a huge difference, especially with the radial plan. Another option is that they needed this beam as an outrigger to increase the stiffness, but that wouldn't necessarily call for additional columns.

Anyway, to answer your question, that beam will obviously have loads coming down from the columns above it, and some small load will be transferred to the columns spaced intermediately. Rudimentary statics would tell you that there is no reaction at the intermediate columns, and hence they would become zero-force members until loads from the parking begin to come down on them. But due to varying load circumstances that will occur with wind loading, they will see some load from that beam, unless the designers have taken unusual precautions to avoid this. If you look very closely in the photograph, it does appear that the main columns are far larger than the intermediate ones, which supports the above observations.

Now, the deep beam further up that is still being formed definitely appears to be a transfer beam. You can see the more tightly-spaced column grid above coming down on it.

It's all still a little screwy to me, and alas, my knowledge isn't quite at a high enough level to hypothesize any further.

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It's all still a little screwy to me, and alas, my knowledge isn't quite at a high enough level to hypothesize any further.
I think your post was rather insightful and I will follow what you say unless I hear from engineers on this project that may critique your stated knowledge thus far.

     
     
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I hope this isn't completely dead and that maybe some other developer could take over much like Kelleher did with Carley. And from what I saw of the initial plans for the sight, I'm sure most here would be more than happy and possibly have to change their pants.
Thats quite a statement.
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Sam, it's a good question. I was waiting a bit to see if one of our resident engineers would answer it for us. I've been trying to figure out the structural logic in this thing for a while now. It's rather bizarre, as the few pilotis on the ground floor change into a more tightly-spaced column layout for the parking floors, then back again over that beam you call our attention to, only to return to the tighter spacing.

I've come to the conclusion that this has nothing to do with practical engineering purposes and instead has to do with the design of the building. Presumably, as this building will have in-fill glazing instead of a curtainwall, the architects wanted a particular column size between penetrations instead of just having the wider span and then using a secondary member to give lateral support to the curtain where necessary. One could also reduce the thickness of the slab due to the added columns, but really, I don't think the spacing is changed so radically where it makes a huge difference, especially with the radial plan. Another option is that they needed this beam as an outrigger to increase the stiffness, but that wouldn't necessarily call for additional columns.

Anyway, to answer your question, that beam will obviously have loads coming down from the columns above it, and some small load will be transferred to the columns spaced intermediately. Rudimentary statics would tell you that there is no reaction at the intermediate columns, and hence they would become zero-force members until loads from the parking begin to come down on them. But due to varying load circumstances that will occur with wind loading, they will see some load from that beam, unless the designers have taken unusual precautions to avoid this. If you look very closely in the photograph, it does appear that the main columns are far larger than the intermediate ones, which supports the above observations.

Now, the deep beam further up that is still being formed definitely appears to be a transfer beam. You can see the more tightly-spaced column grid above coming down on it.

It's all still a little screwy to me, and alas, my knowledge isn't quite at a high enough level to hypothesize any further.
Thanks Honte - very interesting.....
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Random mention of 500 N LSD project

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Related Receives Prestigious Honor Award From the National Building Museum

Related is staunchly committed to sustainable design and developed one
of the first green residential buildings in the nation, Tribeca Green in
Battery Park City, New York and Chicago's first green residential building,
340 on the Park. Related is currently developing seven new LEED-certified
buildings, The Brompton, The Harrison, and Superior Ink in New York City,
The Clarendon in Boston, The Century in Los Angeles, and Canyon Ranch
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