Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by logan5

The CFL had to of known the rule changes would piss off their core fans, which are their bread and butter, yet they did it anyways. It's a desperate move to attract younger fans, and maybe draw in some NFL fans. The league has said that the current model is unsustainable, which is a kinder way of saying the league is dying.

I get a lot of negative reaction for saying this, but there is a path for the NFL in the 3 major markets. The stadiums in place now would be adequate. Maybe not what the NFL would like ideally, but you would be coming into a 40 million population market. Vancouver/Victoria is the 21st largest TV market in the US/Canada, in the same tier as Denver, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, so we are a decent sized local market. Being in Canada, you would also have an extended market, similar to the Blue Jays and Raptors.

The price would be high, so the solution to that is to put together an ownership group.

Not saying that I hope the CFL folds, but if it does, imo there is a more realistic path to the NFL than what most people think.

2 things - I am a core fan and it didn't piss me off, but I am 55 and the CFL core is an aging fan base it needs to get younger, and to do that you need o take some risks. I understand some people view this negatively, my belief is the core of the CFL is 3 downs, 12 men, waggle, wide field, yard off the ball, 5 yard halo on punts, Canadian players and those are not changing. There is still a rouge, just a modified version. Going into a year where your most important TV contract in history is going to be negotiated, the status quo was not going to do it, and if Winnipeg and Saskatchewan approved this too, there must be a long term play for this

As for the NFL in Canada, I don't see it. They already has a TV deal with CTV and are getting a ton of dollars out of Canada, I don't think putting franchises up here gains them much more. Mexico City and London are way higher on the list IMHO.

Look at the new Stadiums built in the US, 2 Billion +, BC Place, Olympic Stadium and anything Toronto has is not going to cut it PLUS a 7 Billions + expansion fee, plus start up costs. Who pays that?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

Look at the new Stadiums built in the US, 2 Billion +, BC Place, Olympic Stadium and anything Toronto has is not going to cut it PLUS a 7 Billions + expansion fee, plus start up costs. Who pays that?

In Canada? Nobody.

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by elly63

In Canada? Nobody.

And keep in mind corporations cannot own NFL franchises so Rogers is not an option

[elly63]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

And keep in mind corporations cannot own NFL franchises so Rogers is not an option

Real business people know it would take at least 20 years to see a ROI and I heard that on an interview with an MLSE exec and that was 10 years ago. The exchange rate, inflation, construction costs make the circumstances even worse than then. Cable and traditional TV networks are slowly diminishing, so a real bean counter who isn't a wannabe might not think it's a good idea, as some felt at MLSE when the idea of NFL in Canada might be imminent

[northernlights99]

pic of old Empire Stadium circa 1970, games were packed, CFL was really the only game in town then.

note the 400 m running track and how far it sets back the seats especially in the end zones; for soccer you're so far away from the goal. Shown are the old 25 yard end zones.

also note the newer slingshot design goal posts as opposed to old old H style.

That Roller Coaster really rocked ! built in 1958 and wooden, it was great watching games and hearing the screams of riders going down the hills.

One roller coaster fanatic set a World Record riding that Roller coaster continuously for 2 weeks. He apparently slept while riding it.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

as the new goalpost hole will have to be drilled 10 yards farther back on each end of field ( - 5 + 15 ), I assume the position of the ball catch netting will have to be adjusted also.

The new artificial turf in Edmonton is going to have goalpost holes for both the old and new CFL rules.

They started work in October 2025 and the AT has been uninstalled in the stadium (November 2025). Also drainage improvements will be part of this project.

The AT installation in the stadium will take place from December 2025 to the end of May 2026.

The AT will be laid to the current dimensions of a Canadian Football League field: 150 yards long, including two 20-yard end zones, and 65 yards wide. When the CFL switches AT dimensions in 2027 – which will see the regulation field shortened by two yards and the location of the goal posts moved from the goal-lines to the backs of the end zones – the 47-year-old stadium will retain goal-post spots in both places to accommodate both pro and amateur play,

[northernlights99]

The AT will be laid to the current dimensions of a Canadian Football League field: 150 yards long, including two 20-yard end zones, and 65 yards wide. When the CFL switches AT dimensions in 2027 – which will see the regulation field shortened by two yards and the location of the goal posts moved from the goal-lines to the backs of the end zones – the 47-year-old stadium will retain goal-post spots in both places to accommodate both pro and amateur play,[/QUOTE]


No not 2 yards, the regulation field will be shortened by 10 yards and shortened by 20 yards including the end zones.

New field or not, the same problem persists with Commonwealth, Molson and Olympic Stadiums: the original running track sets back the seats and results in terrible sight lines.

I wonder if new ball catch nets will be installed behind the uprights in their new positions. BC Place used to use ball catch nets but in 2027 as the closest point on the field where FGs will be taken will be 5 yards farther back from first row of seats, they may be needed less often.

AT&T Stadium uses ball catch nets however the camera always shows the opposite end zone angle for FGs .