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Old Posted Feb 15, 2025, 8:14 PM
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Man could if zoning and FAR could allow it. Build something great here, my dream would be to build a twin tower complex here up to 2300 feet tall. Or something similar that would be worthy of the old "Age of Ramses" title. But alas, thanks NYguy for the illustration.
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I honestly would have preferred something like this. It's my personal idea not a real project... A sphere shaped casino with a 1,700 ft hotel/office tower next to it. The rest of the site schools and affordable apartments. That way I would have shut up those stupid people who don't want the casino.

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This city is so frustrating sometimes. Most of the time actually.
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I honestly would have preferred something like this. It's my personal idea not a real project... A sphere shaped casino with a 1,700 ft hotel/office tower next to it. The rest of the site schools and affordable apartments. That way I would have shut up those stupid people who don't want the casino.

http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/5...eda3360e_o.jpg

Yes, they would have loved that giant sphere, and an even higher supertall. Just face it already, there is nothing that is going to please the NIMBYs.
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I would definitely like to see a MSG sphere on one of the west side piers
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No thanks, trashy/tacky little ball.
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No thanks, trashy/tacky little ball.
I think the sphere would be fine and an awesome idea as long as the sphere is covered up within a building and without the exterior light display in a Non-Times Square New York City location.
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I would definitely like to see a MSG sphere on one of the west side piers
Dolan (who built the Las Vegas Sphere) thought about it, but it was too costs prohibitive. Related tried to get an MSG move to the railyards, also declined. That would have done nothing more than anger the NIMBYs, who fought tooth and nail over the proposed Jets stadium. As it is now, they're lucky they aren't getting either of those things, but they can never be pleased.


There are some who spoke out, but the "community boards" don't actually represent the community. They represent the NIMBY arm, because only NIMBYs will actually join a community board. No one joins a community board to demand more development.


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Despite supporters showing up in large numbers of community board meetings over the past few months to ask them to vote in favor, the board inexplicably wants to issue a blanket denial of the project. Fortunately, their vote isn’t binding, and there is another way forward – working together to make this project a reality.

Related has already updated their plans to reflect community feedback. Together, we can ask for additional changes that are realistic for the development and better for those of us who live nearby. If we can do that, in less than five years the community would have a brand-new park, keys to new apartments, thousands of new jobs, and dozens of new restaurants, coffee shops and stores in the surrounding area. It’s time for our elected officials to step up and move the plan ahead.

If not, we will just have a hole in the ground and some bragging rights that we blocked yet another development that wasn’t quite perfect.

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Related also spoke on the matter:

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In his recommendation, Levine suggested Related could win his support by adding more housing to conform with the 2009 plan, or by simply adding more affordable units. He also said the developer may need to reduce the size of the podium containing the hotel-casino, which would sit near the High Line’s northern terminus.

But Natalie Ravitz, a Related spokeswoman, called Levine’s suggestions unfeasible, saying that it would not earn enough money by adding residential units to pay for the costly platform Related needs to build over the existing train yard.

“There is no getting around the fact that the site cannot be developed without first paying for the $2 billion platform over the rail yards, and unfortunately it is simply not viable to pay for the platform with housing,” Ravitz said. “The housing units removed from the plan were multi-million dollar, luxury condos that the west side does not need and the market does not support.”

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Community Board 4 — which represents the Hudson Yards neighborhood — voted unanimously last month against approving a zoning change to allow the project by Related Companies and Wynn to proceed, saying it would be bad for the neighborhood.

Friends of the High Line said dangling money won’t win support for the project.

“The fact that Related and Wynn are now trying to buy our community off shows just how out of touch they are. They need to scrap this plan and do what they should have done in the first place — work with the community to develop the Western Rail Yards in a way that increases housing, creates new jobs and protects the High Line,” said Friends of the High Line executive director Alan Van Capelle.

This is why you don't bring idiots to the table. What jobs do they think they are bringing by reverting back to housing? And how exactly will developing the railyards - which would happen in either scenario - harm the High Line?
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https://w42st.com/post/controversial...ssion-hearing/

City Grills Developers Over Hudson Yards Casino Plan at Western Rail Yards

by Dashiell Allen
2/20/25


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Garodnick questioned why a 200-foot podium, used to house the gaming facility in the proposed project, is also featured in the alternative plan which includes an office tower, a residential tower, and a 700-room hotel.

When asked if Related had considered other designs, Rosen admitted, “Frankly, we don’t have as much specificity with that plan as you do with the proposed projects, because we’ve been working hard on … pursuing the gaming license, and that’s been our focus.”

Garodnick also asked why Related had not pursued a special permit that would allow it to build a hotel — which, he noted, could be done even if the developer had not secured an operator for the alternative plan.
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“It does feel like we’re missing a little bit of the design element and the layout element in the alternative,” he said, adding that he hoped the developers would work with the planning commission in the next several weeks before it takes a final vote.

When asked by another commissioner, David Gold, about why the 2009 plan is unfeasible, Rosen repeated that it would cost $2 billion alone to construct a platform over the rail yards.

He also shared that the weight distribution of a podium, compared to the buildings in the original 2009 plan, would allow for columns with a smaller width above the train tracks below, something he said was not known when the original plan was agreed upon.
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The City Planning Commission is expected to vote on Related’s proposed zoning changes at an upcoming meeting, the date of which has not been determined, a spokesperson for the Department of City Planning told W42ST. After the Planning Commission, it will be voted on by City Council, which typically defers to local members, in this case Councilman Erik Bottcher.

How do you not know by now that those 4,000 units are not for affordable housing?


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Hell’s Kitchen resident and member of the W47/48th Street block association Catherine Lafferty said she doesn’t “want the city to cannibalize its existing cultural resources like the High Line.”

Instead of a casino, she suggested, “in addition to the much needed 4,000 or more affordable housing units, New York City is a cultural center on so many levels — why not offer a museum on our Hudson?”

In contrast, Kim Hoover, treasurer of the West Chelsea Block Association said her group is in favor of the proposal. “[It] will not only transform the site into a bustling, lively complex featuring a world class casino, affordable housing and additional restaurants and retail, but will also bring in additional security presence to our neighborhoods,” she said.
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Some Q&A with Related from City Planning at their review session last week...

























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Should also point out that Related has shifted to the need for the platform base, casino or not.



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Now that Related is strictly podium, casino or not, they are proposing changes that would see a north/south opening in the non-casino scenario.







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is it being strictly podium good or bad?
Only strictly podium as it relates to the earlier plan. Related's site plan changes now includes the podium scenario should they not get the casino license, to be topped by office/hotel/residential. Makes sense, the railyards have to be developed either way.
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