LOS ANGELES | Downtown Project Rundown 6.0

[wisheye]

Another small attraction in DTLA. All pieces in the puzzle.

"Dataland, the world’s first AI arts museum, will anchor the Grand complex in downtown L.A."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...the-grand-dtla

[scania]

Let me be clear...I know ESPN is already at LA Live. I am saying companies that are similar.

[edale]

Originally Posted by wisheye

Another small attraction in DTLA. All pieces in the puzzle.

"Dataland, the world’s first AI arts museum, will anchor the Grand complex in downtown L.A."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...the-grand-dtla

To me, this means The Grand is having a terribly difficult time finding commercial tenants. These fly by night museums are pretty bottom of the barrel tenants that likely won't last very long. The whole development still looked to be almost completely vacant at street level when I drove by a couple weeks ago, so this doesn't surprise me.

[ChelseaFC]

Originally Posted by edale

To me, this means The Grand is having a terribly difficult time finding commercial tenants. These fly by night museums are pretty bottom of the barrel tenants that likely won't last very long. The whole development still looked to be almost completely vacant at street level when I drove by a couple weeks ago, so this doesn't surprise me.

There's plenty of daytime workers and judicial court visitors to sustain restaurants and cafes, so the rent must be too damn high.

[craigs]

Wrong thread.

[Radio5]

Bad news about Times building. Looks like they are just going to lease it out instead.

https://onnitimessquare.com/availabi...M0UuNGjfI1EaEg

[Mojeda101]

How tragic. One of the best projects in the city reduced to that.

[scania]

Originally Posted by Radio5

Bad news about Times building. Looks like they are just going to lease it out instead.

https://onnitimessquare.com/availabi...M0UuNGjfI1EaEg

When was this site updated? The timing of starting the tower was based on refinancing. This could be valid or it’s just what’s been ok this site for quite some time.

[caligrad]

Wasn't that always Onnis plan? To rent out Times North, Times South and the plant building? while construction went on? Now the headscratcher is Times West. BUT. Seeing how their Arts District plans seem to be getting updated and etc. lately. I can see them starting that project first and then coming back to this once the market feels right to them, it would be easy to move the tenants from Times West into other parts of the other buildings when construction starts.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by caligrad

Wasn't that always Onnis plan? To rent out Times North, Times South and the plant building? while construction went on? Now the headscratcher is Times West. BUT. Seeing how their Arts District plans seem to be getting updated and etc. lately. I can see them starting that project first and then coming back to this once the market feels right to them, it would be easy to move the tenants from Times West into other parts of the other buildings when construction starts.

Yeah, there has been a lot of speculation on and off the forum that Onni's next project will be in the Arts District.

[zabriskie]

I just drove past the LA Times bldg. today and there was a homeless encampment stretching the entire block across 1st St. Is the city park on that site completely dead? As someone else wrote-has this convinced Omni into delay or downsize to the newer plan? Makes me sad. It's just a game changing plan for the entire area including the north end of forlorn Broadway.

[headcheckjj]

Originally Posted by craigs

Yeah, there has been a lot of speculation on and off the forum that Onni's next project will be in the Arts District.

Does Onni have an AD project proposed? I thought the LA Times project and Olympic/Hill were their last 2 in DTLA before they focused on Hollywood and mid-Wilshire

[edale]

Originally Posted by zabriskie

I just drove past the LA Times bldg. today and there was a homeless encampment stretching the entire block across 1st St. Is the city park on that site completely dead? As someone else wrote-has this convinced Omni into delay or downsize to the newer plan? Makes me sad. It's just a game changing plan for the entire area including the north end of forlorn Broadway.

Hate to break it to you, but that camp has been there for years. Like at least 5+ years. The Onni LA Times project has been a proposal for years as well, so hard to say which came first. I'm saddened to hear it's been further delayed if not cancelled, but I'm hardly surprised. The saga surrounding the planned park across the street ought to embarrass every Angeleno. Millions of dollars spent on demolition and grading, millions more spent on the design of the proposed park, all for it to just....not move forward because the council person/mayor no longer want it? So we get a huge dusty lot surrounded by homeless camps until we develop it with tiny homes for more homeless! I believe that's the current proposal. What a mess.

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by headcheckjj

Does Onni have an AD project proposed? I thought the LA Times project and Olympic/Hill were their last 2 in DTLA before they focused on Hollywood and mid-Wilshire

Yeah, they do, both were proposed around the same time if i remember correctly. Their arts district project (Closer to the 10 freeway) was going to be a little more artsy looking but the current plans make it look like their other buildings. AKA more believable and doable.

Originally Posted by Blesha13

https://la.urbanize.city/post/onni-p...-arts-district

The updated plans here.

[scania]

Every Angeleno should be embarrassed about the park saga??? Please, there is too much going on in LA and DTLA to be embarrassed about that foolery. At the end of the day, if it was developed, we might go over there. But that's just my opinion. Of course, it would be cool and awesome for that area to be developed. But I personally wouldn't be running to live near the courthouse. Lol

[craigs]

An aerial snapshot from LA Reddit. Can you spot Olympic + Hill?



I cropped out a lot of the sky in the original but wanted to credit the photographer all the same.

[DTLA Worker]

Originally Posted by edale

Office vacancy is definitely higher now than it has been at any point in the last 30 years. The homeless population downtown is probably the biggest its ever been, too. So not everything is trending the right way for downtown. Skid Row and the homeless continue to drag DTLA down to the gutter, and until Skid Row is actually cleaned up, DTLA will never come close to realizing its potential, which is vast.

The Historic Core and Civic Center areas are grimey and dirty and frankly embarrassing. People like you who evidently live in denial aren't helping anything. When I posted here last year about nearly being assaulted by a crazy man who smashed a glass bottle against the Reagan State Office building right in front of me at noon on a Tuesday, I was accused of lying. When someone comes on the forum saying downtown needs to be cleaned up, you accuse them of...secretly being another forumer who still posts here? I guess Onni is also fabricating the crime and grime in DTLA that's prevented them from breaking ground on the LA Times redevelopment project? Get your head out of the sand and demand better.

I don't say it with any pleasure, but agree that DTLA has some serious issues with homelessness and crime. I've worked in DTLA for 25 years and have seen the ups and downs during that time. We're in a down period right now.

Like all of you, I love DTLA for it's personality and different neighborhoods. The area has so much potential, but it's floundering that potential. I would never, ever move my family into almost any neighborhood in DTLA. That's not the case in other major metros, save for San Francisco. I'd find areas to move my family in San Diego, Chicago, NYC, Miami, Dallas, etc... DTLA... not so much.

[scania]

We have a few families at Sentral. I’ve a lot of friends in South Park of DTLA, and there are a plethora of families there. But hey…it’s to each their own.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by zabriskie

I just drove past the LA Times bldg. today and there was a homeless encampment stretching the entire block across 1st St. Is the city park on that site completely dead? As someone else wrote-has this convinced Omni into delay or downsize to the newer plan? Makes me sad. It's just a game changing plan for the entire area including the north end of forlorn Broadway.

That encampment has been there for over a decade now. It's actually smaller than it used to be. It used to stretch along spring up to the entrance to the park

[ChelseaFC]

Originally Posted by DTLA Worker

I don't say it with any pleasure, but agree that DTLA has some serious issues with homelessness and crime. I've worked in DTLA for 25 years and have seen the ups and downs during that time. We're in a down period right now.

Like all of you, I love DTLA for it's personality and different neighborhoods. The area has so much potential, but it's floundering that potential. I would never, ever move my family into almost any neighborhood in DTLA. That's not the case in other major metros, save for San Francisco. I'd find areas to move my family in San Diego, Chicago, NYC, Miami, Dallas, etc... DTLA... not so much.

As my wife always says, DTLA looks a lot better from a distance than up close. The graffiti on the 110 overpasses provides a nice hint of what's in store if you get off the freeway. Even though I'm less suburb obsessed than she is, I can't say I really disagree wtih her assessment.