Federal Government & Politics II

[Truenorth00]

^^ Ironic that you say they are builders. The key LPC failing that has them getting pummeled is not building enough housing.

They actually weren't much better in building stuff than Harper. Marginally better. But not much. Their government was mostly focused on redistribution.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

^^ Ironic that you say they are builders. The key LPC failing that has them getting pummeled is not building enough housing.

They actually weren't much better in building stuff than Harper. Marginally better. But not much. Their government was mostly focused on redistribution.

Already talking about them in the past tense?

[Nite]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Of course, money is printable after all........

JT knows the way!

For all the years of tories austerity and so called Trudeau overspending I don't think the UK ever had a smaller deficit to GDP than Canada in any year Trudeau was PM.
Canadian have gotten a lot out of our current federal government, ie, expanded child benefits, $10 dollar daycare, billions more into health spendings, national dental plan, massive transit expansions, even doubling the spending on the military from the Harper. The UK hasn't really seen any benefit from massive tory deficits.

here is 2022



with the exception of London, British cities are in a horrible state after 14 years of Tory rule
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[Nite]

Trudeau outlines details of $30B, 10-year fund for public transit

Applications opened Wednesday for two streams in the federal government's new $30-billion public transit fund, even though the money won't start flowing for another two years, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said.

The Canada Public Transit Fund has been in the works for months and was promised in the recent federal budget. More details were shared when Trudeau made a visit to a subway yard in Toronto on Wednesday.

The program is intended to be permanent, although it is currently funded for only 10 years.

"We're stepping up with the kind of predictable, long-term transit funding that means our partners, like the City of Toronto and [Mayor] Olivia Chow, can plan for not just the next couple of years, but for the next decade and beyond," Trudeau said.

Trudeau pledges billions in permanent funding for public transit
That money will be divided into three categories: baseline funding for existing infrastructure, metro-region agreements for Canada's biggest cities and funding for specific things like rural communities, Indigenous communities and active transportation.

The Liberals say this will complement the Housing Accelerator Fund by tying housing money to projects that are near public transit hubs.

The plan includes eliminating mandatory minimum parking requirements for new construction and allowing high-density housing projects near transit.

While the money isn't set to flow until 2026, cities can start planning now, with applications open for the baseline funding and metro agreements.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...nd%20modernize.

glad to see our current transit rapid expansion should will continue for another decade.
lots of projects across the country still looking for funding.

[Truenorth00]

Diagolon held a meet up in Carp.

There's leaked audio to journalist Rachel Gilmore.

https://x.com/atRachelGilmore/status...rb0hut0Kw&s=19

Everything from jokes about the Holocaust to anti-immigrant chants. Fun times.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Already talking about them in the past tense?

In the imparfait sense. Describing their term till now. And they are still that way.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Nite

Trudeau outlines details of $30B, 10-year fund for public transit



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...nd%20modernize.

glad to see our current transit rapid expansion should will continue for another decade.
lots of projects across the country still looking for funding.

You should work out how much of that is new money, especially net of inflation. Hint: not much more than the $2B per year they've been spending.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

You should work out how much of that is new money, especially net of inflation. Hint: not much more than the $2B per year they've been spending.

Well look at it this way, 2 billion a year has allowed for the largest transit expansion in Canadian history and now that funding will be increased by 50% to 3 billion a year. inflation even after 10 years inflation wouldn't eat up that 50%. if the federal component for transit project was at 33%, 3 billion a year would mean 9 billion a year in transit expansion spending by all levels of government. That equilant to 1 REM worth of funding each year or 10 REM's after 10 years.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Diagolon held a meet up in Carp.

There's leaked audio to journalist Rachel Gilmore.

https://x.com/atRachelGilmore/status...rb0hut0Kw&s=19

Everything from jokes about the Holocaust to anti-immigrant chants. Fun times.

It is good that it leaked. Getting these group out of the shadows and shining a light on them is good. Now we need mainstream political leaders to denounce them in no uncertain terms.

Lets see where our countries political leadership stand.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. PP is potentially going to do some pretty unpopular things. Ask the Conservatives in the UK how austerity is working out for them.

Ask Chretien how austerity worked out for us. Spoiler: it saved our economy from ruin.

[shreddog]

10 years ago, people came knocking on JT's door, now he's the one doing the begging urging ...

Trudeau holds meeting with Mark Carney to join government, sources say

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau held talks on Sunday with Mark Carney and urged the former Bank of Canada governor to join the Liberal government, four sources say.
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Mr. Trudeau said Mr. Carney could become a member of the government through a by-election or wait to run when the general election is scheduled for October, 2025. He was not offered the post of finance minister or any other cabinet position, three of the four sources said.
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Mr. Carney was non-committal in his discussions with Mr. Trudeau about whether he is ready to take the leap into federal politics, two of the sources said.
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The outreach to Mr. Carney comes as the government has trailed the Conservative Party by a double-digit margin for months and after the Liberal Party lost the Toronto-St. Paul’s riding, considered a safe seat, to a Conservative in June.
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In response to The Globe’s reporting, Mr. Trudeau told a news conference last week that he had been trying to recruit Mr. Carney for years.
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He also said it’s usual practice for a Prime Minister not to offer a cabinet post to a prospective candidate. It may actually be to Mr. Carney’s benefit to join the Liberals but stay on the backbench, Prof. Marland said, because it gives him the chance to establish his political chops and grow his network while keeping his distance from the Prime Minister.

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[shreddog]

Funny, Trudeau can find the time to head down to the Rogers centre to hang out with that "guy from Punjab" but can find the time to attend a first minister's conference ...

Trudeau pushes back after premiers accuse him of encroaching on their territory
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Nova Scotia Premier Tim Houston, the chair of this year's conference, said Ottawa's approach to the federation "risks pitting provinces and territories, really Canadians, against one another."

In a letter sent to both Houston and Ford on Wednesday, Trudeau said the federal government is merely trying to "use federal funding to improve the lives of Canadians, not to infringe on provincial and territorial jurisdiction."
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The letter does not promise a meeting between Trudeau and the premiers, often referred to as a first ministers' meeting — something many premiers requested this week.

Trudeau said Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc would be willing to meet with Ford and any other interested premiers.
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LINK

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Ask Chretien how austerity worked out for us. Spoiler: it saved our economy from ruin.

Chretien didn't really run on it though. It was imposed on his government when bond yields started rising and their financial advisors started saying that the prospect of default (when bonds didn't roll over) was real.

Chretien is also partly why we have so many problems today. He basically dumped all his problems on the provinces. He savaged the military and public housing and basically set those portfolios back a generation. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Nite

Well look at it this way, 2 billion a year has allowed for the largest transit expansion in Canadian history and now that funding will be increased by 50% to 3 billion a year. inflation even after 10 years inflation wouldn't eat up that 50%. if the federal component for transit project was at 33%, 3 billion a year would mean 9 billion a year in transit expansion spending by all levels of government. That equilant to 1 REM worth of funding each year or 10 REM's after 10 years.

1) $2B itself is not much higher than what the Harper Conservatives were spending.

2) The "largest transit expansion in history" is mostly due to provincial spending and specifically one province: Ontario.

3) Record transit spending is less of an accomplishment and more of necessity given record rates of immigration. All that spending isn't necessarily translating into better reliability and improved customer service. Look up the TTC's State of Good Repair (SOGR) backlog. Largest transit agency in the country and their backlog keeps growing.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Chretien didn't really run on it though. It was imposed on his government when bond yields started rising and their financial advisors started saying that the prospect of default (when bonds didn't roll over) was real.

Chretien is also partly why we have so many problems today. He basically dumped all his problems on the provinces. He savaged the military and public housing and basically set those portfolios back a generation. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

One can be confident that PP will not "run on austerity" either. You'll hear "common sense", "wasteful spending", "bloat", etc etc., but you not hear "cut' unless it relates to the CBC and other favourite conservative bugbears.

[Build.It]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. PP is potentially going to do some pretty unpopular things. Ask the Conservatives in the UK how austerity is working out for them.

No one said it's going to be fun, but it is absolutely necessary. Just like people can't live off credit cards indefinitely, governments can't live off deficit spending indefinitely.

All levels of government combined spend 25% more than gets collected in taxes. This has to stop.

I can understand why people in the public sector would be scared (the only ones who seem to be complaining about PP, coincidentally), however we can't cripple our country to save a few jobs. Better start job hunting now.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

You should work out how much of that is new money, especially net of inflation. Hint: not much more than the $2B per year they've been spending.

The federal government has been providing 40%of funding for all those "provincial projects" going up.
The more money the federal government spends on transit means the more the provinces will also have to spend on transit projects to get the funding.
You think Ontario, BC, Quebec and Alberta all decided to spend more on transit at the same time? no it's because federal financing is now available to make many projects feasible.
There has been no federal government that has come close to spending as much on transit as the federal liberals have over the last 8 years.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Nite

The federal government has been providing 40%of funding for all those "provincial projects" going up.
The more the Ottawa spends on transit means the more the provinces will also have to spend on transit projects to get the funding.

Given the demand they have induced through unsustainable immigration, they should be paying for 100%. Giving a penny and taking credit for a dime is exactly why they are losing support.

Also, this is yet another example of intrusion into provincial affairs. They pick and choose which transit projects to fund. And yet they can't build the one thing that is entirely in their jurisdiction: HFR.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Given the demand they have induced through unsustainable immigration, they should be paying for 100%. Giving a penny and taking credit for a dime is exactly why they are losing support.

Also, this is yet another example of intrusion into provincial affairs. They pick and choose which transit projects to fund. And yet they can't build the one thing that is entirely in their jurisdiction: HFR.

HFR is moving as per schedule I don't know what else you can want from the federal government regarding transit. all major cities in this country have projects under constructions with ever more funding being made available going forward.

The US with a 10x bigger budget and is running a deficit 3x per capita greater than Canada can barely get anything built
Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa, Hamilton, Mississauga, Montreal and soon Quebec City all have one or several major projects under construction, when has even half of these cities all had concurrent projects under constructions before the current federal government.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Nite

HFR is moving as per schedule I don't know what else you can want from the federal government regarding transit. all major cities in this country have projects under constructions with ever more funding being made available going forward.

The HFR proposal has been around for over a decade and the Government is still at a glorified planning stage. At this point in the Canadian Pacific Railway process the railway was 2 years from the last spike. With hand tools and rudimentary engineering technology.