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Old Posted Jun 13, 2024, 2:37 PM
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Calling this a data farm is like calling Argonne a data farm. Part of the requirement is to house large amounts of data, but the value is in the output of the computer itself. The computer requires many highly-skilled experts to manage, operate, and maintain. Data farms don't run like that.

This is why IBM and another unnamed company have confirmed that are looking to locate a facility close to this one. That doesn't really happen with data farms that I've seen.
Yeah, I shouldn't have labeled this a data farm......

This effort definitely goes beyond building a computer, and my hope is there can be enough inertia with the various activities to spur startups, etc. Time will tell on that though.

Either way, it's a great win for the South Side if they end up going with the Chicago Southside location.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2024, 6:35 PM
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Calling this a data farm is like calling Argonne a data farm. Part of the requirement is to house large amounts of data, but the value is in the output of the computer itself. The computer requires many highly-skilled experts to manage, operate, and maintain. Data farms don't run like that.

This is why IBM and another unnamed company have confirmed that are looking to locate a facility close to this one. That doesn't really happen with data farms that I've seen.
Exactly! The best analogy on the impact a quantum hub will have is Fermilab during the Cold War, where thousands of physicists and engineers from across the world regularly passed through to advance nuclear physics and our understanding of the universe by building particle colliders and new theories of physics. A more modern example is NASA's JPL, where a lot of the cutting edge aerospace and planetary science is being done. Chicago and Los Angeles though mainly saw indirect benefits, since both sites are in isolating suburbs. If South Works is selected as a quantum hub, you're going to see thousands of physicists and engineers coming and going to South Chicago and Hyde Park over the next decade, many of whom will want to be living nearby.

The University of Chicago has repeatedly said over the years they want the South Side to become the Silicon Valley of quantum technology, and this is what they meant. This is also why there are projects in the works like Woodlawn Central and Chicago State University's 95th Street redevelopment plan, with even more under the wraps. You're going to see the South Side rapidly densify as many people and companies relocate here, and hopefully many Black Chicagoans who've left are able to move back and benefit from the revitalization.
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The University of Chicago has repeatedly said over the years they want the South Side to become the Silicon Valley of quantum technology, and this is what they meant. This is also why there are projects in the works like Woodlawn Central and Chicago State University's 95th Street redevelopment plan, with even more under the wraps. You're going to see the South Side rapidly densify as many people and companies relocate here, and hopefully many Black Chicagoans who've left are able to move back and benefit from the revitalization.
That's certainly the dream. I would love nothing more than to see that as well...... Time will tell, but seeing Johnson aligned with Pritzker on this makes me feel good.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2024, 7:58 PM
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This is also why there are projects in the works like Woodlawn Central and Chicago State University's 95th Street redevelopment plan, with even more under the wraps.
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Even though CME has mentioned looking into moving their data centers to other states, their traders literally won't allow them to cause they still want the fractions of a second advantage by being located in Chicago. Location still matters even in the modern era

CME and Google to build new facility to move trading into the cloud

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Alphabet Inc.’s Google will work with CME Group Inc. to build a new cloud-computing network that will enable the exchange operator to shift its futures and options trading into the cloud.
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The decision to keep the data center in the Chicago area comes after market makers and high-speed trading firms opposed a move elsewhere, according to people familiar with the matter. It highlights how difficult it would be for the exchange to move away from the region, which has seen a number of high-profile corporate departures in recent years including Ken Griffin’s Citadel, Boeing Co., and Caterpillar Inc.

Traders like to have infrastructure near or in the data center to ensure information travels faster, giving them a slim advantage over others that aren’t nearby. Building out infrastructure elsewhere would take time and result in costs for firms, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private. Talks between the exchange and traders included a potential move to Google data centers in Virginia and Ohio, the people said.

“We decided to build the new facility in Aurora to ensure minimal disruption for our clients,” CME’s Duffy said.
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I didn't have that on my BINGO card but should have. It's comical but makes sense.

The thing is that if they moved data centers then all these companies would have to invest in data centers near there. Also not easy depending on requirements of those data centers (i.e. a firm may be required to modernize more to operate in some new DC costing them a lot of time and money). And today in Chicago area there companies already have their own advantage based on location. A company today that had an advantage could lose that advantage vs rivals if they were forced to go elsewhere.
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Let’s see:
- Boeing is a dumpster fire, and for the foreseeable future, no less
- Citadel is slowly being exposed for their fraudulent trading practices, and Kenny’s Florida mega mansion will be under water and uninsurable within the next decade or so
- Carepillar’s core intl business in the E and SE Asian markets is fairly stagnant

They probably would have been better off staying here (j/k)
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All 3 companies still have offices in Chicago/the area. The media has completely bungled what these companies actually did. None of them closed their offices here like they claim
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All 3 companies still have offices in Chicago/the area. The media has completely bungled what these companies actually did. None of them closed their offices here like they claim
I should have clarified I meant headquarters (Deere being in IL outside of Chicago).
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Sad to see IL lost to CO on the quantum computing front, but it was only a $40.5 million dollar grant. This is less than 10% of what Pritzker put into his budget that was signed into law.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/tech...icle1-headline

On the plus side, IL did receive $51 million in other grants.
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Sad to see IL lost to CO on the quantum computing front, but it was only a $40.5 million dollar grant. This is less than 10% of what Pritzker put into his budget that was signed into law.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/tech...icle1-headline

On the plus side, IL did receive $51 million in other grants.
Sucks, but not the end of the world. Do you know what the state may use that money for and what a state like CO might use theirs for? I imagine if it's infrastructure and the like then good thing IL earmarked some budget for it.

At the end of the day, if some major company like IBM comes in and builds a quantum facility in Illinois somewhere, I'll take that over the federal grant if there was a choice.
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It seems that, regardless of the federal grant, there is still a quantum campus in the works for either South Works or Lockport unless something has changed.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2024, 10:13 PM
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It seems that, regardless of the federal grant, there is still a quantum campus in the works for either South Works or Lockport unless something has changed.
Yep, and there's nothing in that article suggesting IBM/Psi have moved away from IL after this decision. At least not yet....
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Illinois lands federal partnership to further develop quantum projects
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The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, will take residency on the state’s quantum campus to establish a program where quantum computing prototypes will be tested. The location of the campus is expected to be announced soon.

According to DARPA, the goal of the “Quantum Benchmarking Initaitive,” or QBI, will be to evaluate and test quantum computing claims and “separate hype from reality.”
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Pritzker’s 2025 budget allocated $500 million in state investment to help fund quantum research and build a campus, with $300 million going toward the campus. DARPA plans to put out a request for proposals for quantum companies and said it will spend “up to $140 million.” The state plans to match that amount, with the pot of money coming from this year’s budget allocation.
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Both the U.S. Steel South Works site in the South Chicago neighborhood and a former Texaco refinery in Lockport are being floated as potential sites for the campus. But the governor said no final decisions have been made. The location is being decided in partnership with quantum companies that plan to be part of the campus. Pritzker said he’s also seeking a “large enough space” that has access to quantum resources that already exist in northern Illinois.
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Illinois lands federal partnership to further develop quantum projects

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This is a good win and IMO better than what Colorado won. Maybe because of the DARPA name attached to this.
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The next big piece of news I am watching for is if/when PsiQuantum decides to build their computing infrastructure here, and where exactly. Even if their HQ isn't here, coupling this with the efforts Pritzker is doing can really help establish Chicago as some sort of a tech hub outside the bigger ones in the country. Or at least, one can hope......
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Heard from a guy working at a land use law firm that a major obstacle to an unstated Quantum computing company (probably PsiQuantum) opening a Chicago campus is opposition from the local alderman because of gentrification concerns.
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Heard from a guy working at a land use law firm that a major obstacle to an unstated Quantum computing company (probably PsiQuantum) opening a Chicago campus is opposition from the local alderman because of gentrification concerns.
That would be Mitchell (7th Ward) I'm guessing. So, he'd rather South Chicago just keep losing population? I don't understand this logic.
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