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Today I'm interested to discover that I might be more inclined to vote yes in a Quebec referendum than Acajack

I have no real love for Canada. I love Montreal, and I'm excited by the idea of creating a new country from scratch. But I'm also deeply uninterested in theoretics and abstract notions so we'll see if and when it ever happens.
You wouldn't really be creating a new country from "scratch", you'd be creating one from the pre-existing institutions, culture, and society of Quebec, which is very fleshed out.
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Today I'm interested to discover that I might be more inclined to vote yes in a Quebec referendum than Acajack

I have no real love for Canada. I love Montreal, and I'm excited by the idea of creating a new country from scratch. But I'm also deeply uninterested in theoretics and abstract notions so we'll see if and when it ever happens.
In my case…

Ever since I discovered the benefits of just not voting (thanks George Carlin), I’ve been sold!

It’s been working great in municipal/provincial/federal elections so far, zero regrets, would highly recommend, and therefore I probably would also do it in a referendum too!
     
     
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You wouldn't really be creating a new country from "scratch", you'd be creating one from the pre-existing institutions, culture, and society of Quebec, which is very fleshed out.
Yes but by that logic there are no countries created from scratch. Even a subnational entity in a federation has a lot that needs to be created. Look at Brexit where they had full sovereignty over everything but Trade and it's still a total mess. Quebec would need all of that plus currency, military, criminal law being some examples. Immigration and Foreign Affairs would also be mostly from scratch.
     
     
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In my case…

Ever since I discovered the benefits of just not voting (thanks George Carlin), I’ve been sold!

It’s been working great in municipal/provincial/federal elections so far, zero regrets, would highly recommend, and therefore I probably would also do it in a referendum too!
I tend to be more and more like that too...

Although more people will vote in the referendum than in other elections, as per 1995.
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Yes but by that logic there are no countries created from scratch. Even a subnational entity in a federation has a lot that needs to be created. Look at Brexit where they had full sovereignty over everything but Trade and it's still a total mess. Quebec would need all of that plus currency, military, criminal law being some examples. Immigration and Foreign Affairs would also be mostly from scratch.
And a national anthem! What would be the national anthem?
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And a national anthem! What would be the national anthem?
Gens du pays by Gilles Vigneault?

Although the PQ commissioned someone to write one in 1995.
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Yes but by that logic there are no countries created from scratch. Even a subnational entity in a federation has a lot that needs to be created. Look at Brexit where they had full sovereignty over everything but Trade and it's still a total mess. Quebec would need all of that plus currency, military, criminal law being some examples. Immigration and Foreign Affairs would also be mostly from scratch.
Quebec has a decent-sized immigration department and also dabbles in foreign affairs with delegations in a number of countries.

But it would be starting from scratch in some areas like defence of course.
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But it would be starting from scratch in some areas like defence of course.
So, not much behind Canada...

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Gens du pays by Gilles Vigneault?

Although the PQ commissioned someone to write one in 1995.
Nahh, this one is much better

I'd like to see Gilles Duceppe dancing to this song while wearing his showercap.

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Quebec has a decent-sized immigration department and also dabbles in foreign affairs with delegations in a number of countries.

But it would be starting from scratch in some areas like defence of course.
Again as the UK has learned dabbling isn't the same thing. An office promoting culture or assisting with immigration isn't the same as an embassy issuing tourist visas. The border with the rest of Canada would be very complicated as again they discovered in Ireland. I guess at the same time it would be very exciting. I know the Baltics and former Yugoslavia when they weren't fighting relished the challenge. The economic shock would be enormous of course.
     
     
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But it would be starting from scratch in some areas like defence of course.
You mean defense surely.
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Nahh, this one is much better

I'd like to see Gilles Duceppe dancing to this song while wearing his showercap.

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Personally I could see this:

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Quebec has a decent-sized immigration department and also dabbles in foreign affairs with delegations in a number of countries.

But it would be starting from scratch in some areas like defence of course.
"Dabbles" is about the kindest word one could come up with.
     
     
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You mean defense surely.
No, he means defence, as in Department of Defence.
     
     
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You mean defense surely.
Canadian English combines British & American spellings. Canadian spells -or words with a u like the British do ("honour", "colour", "humour"); we also spell "centre" like the British; but for the words "tire" and "program" we spell them like the Americans.

UK: "The tyres on my car have a strange colour."
USA: "The tires on my car have a strange color".
Canada: "The tires on my car have a strange colour".

But for "defense/defence", Canada is actually inconsistent and doesn't demonstrate a clear preference. Official style guides in Canada state that "defence" should be preferred, but in practice many Canadians spell it "defense". (As opposed to "colour", for example, which very few Canadians would ever spell without the "u").

Interestingly enough the preference for British spellings is political. In the 19th century most Canadians spelt all words like the Americans; you can find old copies of Toronto newspapers from the 1890s where they spell "color" without the "u". But there was a strong push from the ruling class to adopt British spellings out of a sense of loyalty/affinity to the British Empire which led to it changing. There was also a push in the early 20th century for Canadians to speak more like the British; CBC newscasters in this era were often coached to speak with British-like accents.
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