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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere
Hamilton has a more complex underground infrastructure and it's getting put through the P3 process.. It's not clear exactly what the scope of the $3.4 billion cost is. Is it capital construction costs + financing + land + 30 years of operating and maitenence? Is it just capital? What?
The Quebec cost very well could be just the capital cost, while the Hamilton is construction, design, land acquisition, maintenance for 30 years, financing costs for 30 years, etc.
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The Feds and Province have made it clear that the city is responsible for operations and maintenance just like any other transit project or transit line.
I am curious at the immense cost as well. I suspect there are a few things going on. A massive number of properties needed to be acquired for this project. I'm not sure that Quebec City or Montreal's or Ottawa's required this many. Secondly the bridges are likely factored in, in the case they need to be replaced. The bridge over the 403 is especially expensive as it is a massive bridge, crossing a huge gap.
The underground portion under existing rail lines complicates things as well, and it's very likely Hamilton has complex underground infrastructure. Many sewers in Hamilton are old brick lined sewers and much of the underground infrastructure isn't actually known or documented that well. We may well run into a Kitchener situation where there is something of archeological significance found.
I still wonder at the costs, since they haven't been priced out but that's the point of the RFP. The government has estimated, and the finally cost will come down to the company that wins the bidding process.
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