Phoenix: CityNorth - 144 acre "Urban" development

[Azndragon837]

All,

I agree with the Goldwater on this issue as well. Sean, I am going to have to disagree with you on this topic. Everytime I hear the name "CityNorth" (or how I quote the CityWok Chinese Guy in South Park: ShittyNorth) I shutter because of the massive amounts of subsidies Phoenix basically give away.

I like Don's analogy of the two kids getting nothing and the third getting everything. It's about how fair this is. This project would have happended anyways, or it would have went across the freeway to Scottsdale. It does not matter to me, because I can't afford the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 the luxury development will sell. I'll take my Target any day.

Developers developing property on the city periphery should never get any help from the city. I would be less "irratated" if subsidies were handed to developers that want to develop in the core, which we all know is more difficult to build in with land values and tight spaces. Again, it's unfair to others.

Adding subsidies to a suburban development is not helping with downtown development at all. Again, we are still at 98% suburban fill and 2% infill, and CityNorth just doesn't help our goal of a more vibrant downtown because of the money handed to the developers.

If I were a downtown developer trying to construct a mixed-use condo tower, I'd be freaking mad at Phoenix for throwing $100 million for a suburban development while I am trying to make ends meet with a 35 story high-rise downtown.

-Andrew