Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by rockies

I was curious about this because, according to the census estimate, Salt Lake county's population would have actually decreased/remained the same in 2022. I don't really understand why or how that could be the case. The Utah Population committee estimates differ pretty significantly and do show growth although I'm not sure if they have individual city data.

I have no clue which one is more accurate or how their methodology differs, so I can't really comment on them too much, I can only report what they're saying.

Originally Posted by Atlas

Is the prison population included in the count? The new prison is within SLC proper so that may have contributed to the increase.

I'm not sure about this one. Draper has seen a slight decrease since 2020 according to the estimates, but this is consistent with Riverton and Sandy as well. Only Herriman, Bluffdale, South Jordan, and Salt Lake City saw significant increases in population in Salt Lake County since 2020 according to the Census Bureau.

[ryerop]

Does anyone have any information on what is being built in front of the apartment buildings that are replacing the former Kmart on approximately 4600 S. 900 East? I know i had seen both here and other places before that it's supposed to be the residential (apartment) portion in the back and then some kind of retail element that is fronting the road. My wife and I drive by there often and see a building that is going up right next to the storage shed entrance, and we've been trying to figure out what they have planned for that spot. I tried looking it up several ways through Google, but either I don't know the right way to search, or don't have access maybe. Not really sure which it is. If anyone has any insight what's going in that retail portion that would be great, hopefully it's something that will help that area thrive over there.

[wrendog]

I don't know about that K mart location, but the old K mart in South Jordan is set to become an H mart.

Super exciting for the valley. H Mart is the best Asian superstore/grocery chain in the country

[Orlando]

https://www.taylorsvilleut.gov/Home/...r%20amenities.

[delts145]

A 'vast' opportunity? Salt Lake names winners of possible Smith's Ballpark future concept

https://www.ksl.com/article/50657044...future-concept

A rendering of a Smith's Ballpark redesigned into a park, designed by N. Tate Barney, J. Owen Huff and Logan Hall at Utah State University. The design won the student category of the Ballpark Next contest. (Photo: N. Tate Barney, J. Owen Huff and Logan Hall via Salt Lake City)

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[Paniolo Man]

The Vine, Murray.

[Utah_Dave]

Well I heard some very unfortunate rumors on Sports radio today. Hans and Scotty were playing some clips of Ryan Smith and adding their opinions with some insider “knowledge”. It basically supports some comments on here that if Ryan Smith is successful at getting an NHL team that it looks likely he would try to build a new stadium down near the point and move the Jazz there as well! Fuck this shit.

I don’t get the appeal of the area, other then it’s become the center of gravity for the Wasatch front population. Other then that, I don’t get it. Hope with all my heart the NHL never comes to Utah it that’s the plan.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

I don’t get the appeal of the area, other then it’s become the center of gravity for the Wasatch front population. Other then that, I don’t get it. Hope with all my heart the NHL never comes to Utah it that’s the plan.

I don't get it either, especially with the office market in freefall. It's not going to be the tech hub they imagine.

And it's not the center of gravity of the Wasatch Front's population. Ogden metro exists. Draper is near the center of the money, maybe. Closer to Ryan Smith's house, probably.

[RC14]

It feels tone deaf. We just hosted the All Star game and we all remember the complaints about how we are a "boring a** city" and yet Ryan Smith wants to move the team out to the suburbs? Away from the bars and nightlife? I don't think that's going to help attract better players. I'm sure he probably hangs out with influential people in the state who think this is a good idea but it isn't.
I too would prefer not to have an NHL team if it's going to take the Jazz out of the city.

[Blah_Amazing]

Best case scenario based on that Trib article from December for The Point was some vertical construction on infrastructure by 2026. A best case scenario guestimate then would mean phase one really wouldn't even be livable (let alone completed) well into the 2030s and that would be best case based on high demand and very good market conditions. So my guess would be the small portion that is phase 1 wouldn't really be done until around 2037-2040ish and the whole development wouldn't really be fully done and compete until the 2050s.

So if the plan was to build these large stadiums any time soon they would likely be building them in the middle of fields that would still mostly be fields until literally a generation from now. And that is being optimistic that they actually achieve all their wonderous dreams for the development (unlikely).

Good luck maintaining an extremally expensive sports franchise for more than a year or two in the middle of Bluffdale's brush fields.

I mean, at least the Bees are moving to Daybreak in a location that is was already long planned and built up to be a downtown for that entire community with all the infrastructure (including Trax) already in place. We still don't know if The Point is actually going to get Trax or not. Imagine building massive sports stadiums that is only accessible by transfers and a lame BRT?

Even Sandy has been planning to build up the area around the Rice Eccles for a 10-15 years now and not one bit of that has materialized. If Sandy is struggling to get a stadium city built in what is really a very good location and an already established area, then I think The Point is really going to struggle. Especially for the first 15-25 years.

I genuinely hope someone is pointing this out to these guys.

[RC14]

So, when I first mentioned that I had heard Ryan Smith might move the Jazz to the suburbs, the rumor I had heard was actually not the point, it was a location in Sandy. However, that is the only place I've heard that rumor so I don't know if there is any validity to it.

[i-215]

Originally Posted by RC14

So, when I first mentioned that I had heard Ryan Smith might move the Jazz to the suburbs, the rumor I had heard was actually not the point, it was a location in Sandy. However, that is the only place I've heard that rumor so I don't know if there is any validity to it.

Sigh. Gail Miller just spent $125 million dollars renovating the Delta Center.

The airline just signed a multi-decade naming rights contract.

The. Jazz. Are. Not. Moving. To. The. Suburbs.

Period.

[RC14]

^
I hope you're right.

[TheGeographer]

Don’t worry, we’re not getting NHL or MLB anytime soon. Everything I’ve read points to NHL doing everything in their power to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix because in the NHL commissioners words “it’s one of the bigger markets”. NHL is exploring other large cities like Atlanta before us. Las Vegas may get the A’s if they leave Oakland. It’s pretty much up to the Nevada legislature to pass a bill at this point, so a 50/50 chance. Even if Vegas doesn’t get the As we’ll be competing with many other cities still. I think it’s great we have people in Utah activity trying to get NHL and MBL to come to SLC, but it’s no where close to a done deal or a close deal. Lots of uphill battle and lots of other cities will need to fall out of the race. Did anyone see the stadium Orlando proposed? Or Las Vegas? Really makes us look like small fries swimming in an ocean of sharks. Anyways, we can build all the stadiums we want. At the point, near downtown, wherever. Doesn’t mean a team is coming. Look at Kansas City who built the t-mobile center in 2007. They’re still waiting for an NHL or NBA team 15 years later. Until a team commits to Utah and SLC, I’m not too concerned about the Point.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by TheGeographer

Don’t worry, we’re not getting NHL or MLB anytime soon. Everything I’ve read points to NHL doing everything in their power to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix because in the NHL commissioners words “it’s one of the bigger markets”. NHL is exploring other large cities like Atlanta before us. Las Vegas may get the A’s if they leave Oakland. It’s pretty much up to the Nevada legislature to pass a bill at this point, so a 50/50 chance. Even if Vegas doesn’t get the As we’ll be competing with many other cities still. I think it’s great we have people in Utah activity trying to get NHL and MBL to come to SLC, but it’s no where close to a done deal or a close deal. Lots of uphill battle and lots of other cities will need to fall out of the race. Did anyone see the stadium Orlando proposed? Or Las Vegas? Really makes us look like small fries swimming in an ocean of sharks. Anyways, we can build all the stadiums we want. At the point, near downtown, wherever. Doesn’t mean a team is coming. Look at Kansas City who built the t-mobile center in 2007. They’re still waiting for an NHL or NBA team 15 years later. Until a team commits to Utah and SLC, I’m not too concerned about the Point.

I believe you are wrong. NHL has a very good shot of happening. Done deal? Absolutely not. Still a good shot.

MLB is tougher, but SLC has a decent shot there as well. Orlando has a beautiful rendering, but that's about it. I don't think MLB wants another Florida team. Nashville is in the driver's seat in the east

[freeshavocado]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

Well I heard some very unfortunate rumors on Sports radio today. Hans and Scotty were playing some clips of Ryan Smith and adding their opinions with some insider “knowledge”. It basically supports some comments on here that if Ryan Smith is successful at getting an NHL team that it looks likely he would try to build a new stadium down near the point and move the Jazz there as well! Fuck this shit.

Do you know if there's a recording of this sports radio segment anywhere?

[TheGeographer]

Originally Posted by wrendog

I believe you are wrong. NHL has a very good shot of happening. Done deal? Absolutely not. Still a good shot.

MLB is tougher, but SLC has a decent shot there as well. Orlando has a beautiful rendering, but that's about it. I don't think MLB wants another Florida team. Nashville is in the driver's seat in the east

We’ll see. Lots of bigger markets at the table. For all our sake I hope I’m wrong. Would love to be wrong on this one

[Comrade]

It's not just about market size.

If that was the case, LA wouldn't have spent 20 years without a NFL team after the Raiders and Rams bolted (and before the return of the Rams and the relocation of the Chargers).

You've got to also have a willing owner and an arena/stadium plan that actually has a strong chance of happening. It's why when the Sonics left Seattle, a much larger TV market than Oklahoma City, for Oklahoma. Oklahoma had the support system in place to get a NBA team.

Also, just because the NHL is giving the appearance they're exhausting every avenue to keep the team in Phoenix, that doesn't mean they really believe it'll happen. It's doing your due diligence. Hell, the NBA did it with Seattle for the last couple years before relocation.

[TheGeographer]

Originally Posted by Comrade

It's not just about market size.

If that was the case, LA wouldn't have spent 20 years without a NFL team after the Raiders and Rams bolted (and before the return of the Rams and the relocation of the Chargers).

You've got to also have a willing owner and an arena/stadium plan that actually has a strong chance of happening. It's why when the Sonics left Seattle, a much larger TV market than Oklahoma City, for Oklahoma. Oklahoma had the support system in place to get a NBA team.

Also, just because the NHL is giving the appearance they're exhausting every avenue to keep the team in Phoenix, that doesn't mean they really believe it'll happen. It's doing your due diligence. Hell, the NBA did it with Seattle for the last couple years before relocation.

True points. Same can happen both ways. Rams from St. Louis to LA. There are always exceptions to the rule like OKC thunder, but overall big markets rule the sports world. Hence why we’re still waiting for an NHL, MLB, and NFL team like most of our counterpart cities of similar size. NHL does seem to be the exception though with teams in small markets like Columbus, Ottawa, etc. So hope I’m wrong. Always rooting for the small market teams. Not holding my breath though and not too worried yet about speculation like the Point. I’ll reserve my anger until it seems more imminent.

[mattreedah]

Originally Posted by freeshavocado

Do you know if there's a recording of this sports radio segment anywhere?

The commentary is on the June 6th “Hans and Scotty G” show. The hour-long interview with Jazz owner Ryan Smith is the June 2nd “32 Thoughts” podcast. It’s well worth everyone’s time. You can get them on any podcast app.