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Old Posted Feb 28, 2023, 1:58 PM
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RLA tapping in to the city: So if it's not tones of bluegrey, people don't like it. Got it *sharpens pencil, flips down safety goggles, dives right in*

Did I just catch that the lovely, smooth-lines, precast-clad podium was just dumbed down to zig-zaggy cheap aluminum railings??? The developer is probably just sitting back and loving all these committees, they're saving so much money dumbing this thing to a light grey box so it'll be approved.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2023, 2:22 PM
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This is a variation of the Red Apple in Rotterdam or Veryap Meridian in Istanbul - each built more than a decade ago.
Already dated; the cladding reads as baroque embellishment on a ho-hum design. Nice ambition for public spaces but dull and derivative overall.
This detail in particular is quite similar. I'll take this any day of the week, as long as we don't get 35 carbon copies.


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Old Posted Feb 28, 2023, 2:42 PM
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This is a variation of the Red Apple in Rotterdam or Veryap Meridian in Istanbul - each built more than a decade ago.
Already dated; the cladding reads as baroque embellishment on a ho-hum design. Nice ambition for public spaces but dull and derivative overall.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2023, 2:46 PM
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This detail in particular is quite similar. I'll take this any day of the week, as long as we don't get 35 carbon copies.

I would still take 35 carbon copies of this over anymore Charcoal towers!
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2023, 3:39 PM
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That is a good detail of the Rotterdam building. It shows how the red elements taper towards the top, lengthening the building from street level and increasing exposure of sky-reflecting glass. A much stronger architectural choice than gradiant hues.
The palette of the Istanbul cladding is virtually identical to the new Lebreton colours. However, if their ambition was to use colours with local/indigenous significance, the terra-cotta colour is more reflective of a Mediterranean landscape than Ottawa’s Canadian Shield. Also the podium is a beautifully considered within the design, rather than this awkward plinth.

Decent ingredients were imported, thrown into the pot, undercooked and flavors clash.

New to Ottawa. Love this forum and how engaged users are. Amazed at how conservative the city is and how low people’s expectations are for such an educated and wealthy capital. Council and committees do no favours in their poor aesthetic judgements and diffuse priorities.

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Old Posted Feb 28, 2023, 4:28 PM
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That is a good detail of the Rotterdam building. It shows how the red elements taper towards the top, lengthening the building from street level and increasing exposure of sky-reflecting glass. A much stronger architectural choice than gradiant hues.
The palette of the Istanbul cladding is virtually identical to the new Lebreton colours. However, if their ambition was to use colours with local/indigenous significance, the terra-cotta colour is more reflective of a Mediterranean landscape than Ottawa’s Canadian Shield. Also the podium is a beautifully considered within the design, rather than this awkward plinth.

Decent ingredients were imported, thrown into the pot, undercooked and flavors clash.

New to Ottawa. Love this forum and how engaged users are. Amazed at how conservative the city is and how low people’s expectations are for such an educated and wealthy capital. Council and committees do no favours in their poor aesthetic judgements and diffuse priorities.

It's a common occurrence that an Ottawa proposal that we consider high quality or amazing is seen as basic, bland or even ugly on the Canadian City Proposals page. We're just so used to local developers and architects spitting out the same drab designs over and over, that anything out of the ordinary like this is considered a masterpiece by most over here.

I personally prefer the straight, clean lines of the Dream proposal to the tapering of the Red Apple. I find Varyap Meridian would be too far out of the box for Ottawa (though it's somewhat similar in form to 400 Albert, which I like). I can still understand why some would prefer those.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2023, 4:29 PM
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Love the gradient incorporated into the design along with the podium. The only thing that still concerns me with this is the comically small windows scattered throughout the tower; there really is only one strip of full sized windows in the middle.

It's a nice change, but still reminds me a bit of some of the older, low-income apartments throughout the city. The execution on this one will be key.
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It's a common occurrence that an Ottawa proposal that we consider high quality or amazing is seen as basic, bland or even ugly on the Canadian City Proposals page. We're just so used to local developers and architects spitting out the same drab designs over and over, that anything out of the ordinary like this is considered a masterpiece by most over here.

I personally prefer the straight, clean lines of the Dream proposal to the tapering of the Red Apple. I find Varyap Meridian would be too far out of the box for Ottawa (though it's somewhat similar in form to 400 Albert, which I like). I can still understand why some would prefer those.

I hear this - and I do like the building, as well as the design of 400 Albert (except that it’s short stature will keep it hidden).
But as the city grows, ambition, quality of materials, risk-taking and relative costs should not be barriers to development. Buildings and their appeal should aim to endure and charcoal brick and aluminum cladding aren’t going to age gracefully.
The city could ask for more. “Masterpiece” status needs to hit a very high bar. Decision-makers should understand that that bar is not relative to personal taste or expectation, but actual merit measured among other world cities, as Ottawa is poised to become.
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I hear this - and I do like the building, as well as the design of 400 Albert (except that it’s short stature will keep it hidden).
But as the city grows, ambition, quality of materials, risk-taking and relative costs should not be barriers to development. Buildings and their appeal should aim to endure and charcoal brick and aluminum cladding aren’t going to age gracefully.
The city could ask for more. “Masterpiece” status needs to hit a very high bar. Decision-makers should understand that that bar is not relative to personal taste or expectation, but actual merit measured among other world cities, as Ottawa is poised to become.
Hopefully that's the case and we will eventually have standards that align with the rest of Canada and the World.
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Wait, what!?! A building that isn't charcoal or beige?

I love it for that simple reason!
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How city wastewater could be used in the future LeBreton Flats development

Ted Raymond, CTV News Ottawa
March 18, 2023


An Ottawa city committee is looking at a proposed plan to use municipal wastewater to help heat and cool apartment buildings at the future LeBreton Flats development without the use of fossil fuels.

A report prepared for the Environment and Climate Change Committee delves into the possibility of using a "wastewater energy transfer" or WET system to extract heat generated by wastewater and convert it to energy to aid in its goal of building a net-zero carbon development.

A similar technology is in use at the Zibi site, using heat generated by the Kruger plant in Gatineau and water from the Ottawa River to provide heating and cooling.

In this case, the proposed plan is to divert some of the city's wastewater to a separate area where heat energy is recovered before it is sent back into the sewer system. City staff say 545 million liters of wastewater are treated each day at the Robert O. Pickard Environmental Centre, before it is returned to the Ottawa River.

"Water, and sewage which is comprised mostly of water, has a relative high heat capacity. This means that a lot of thermal heat can be extracted per degree of temperature change in the wastewater and it can provide a more consistent source temperature and higher heat capacity than ambient air provides for an air source heat pump," the report states.

Staff say fossil fuel use in buildings is the city's largest source of greenhouse gas emissions and this plan could help reduce that footprint.

Council's involvement comes down to the relative newness of the technology. WET systems were not envisioned in the city's sewage bylaws, so the report is recommending committee and council authorize the general manager of infrastructure and water services, or a designate, to review and consider the approval of a connection to the city’s wastewater infrastructure to supply wastewater to a proposed WET system for the Dream LeBreton development.

According to the report, there are only a small number of similar projects in Canada. Vancouver's False Creek Neighbourhood Energy Utility is the only one currently in operation. One is under construction at Toronto Western Hospital, one is under construction in Halifax, and one is planned for a development in Mississauga.

The city has already entered into a memorandum of agreement with Theia Partners and Envari Holding to pursue the proposed plan, dubbed a pilot project because it would be Ottawa's first WET system, but council approval is needed before these groups will move on to a design phase. Theia is also involved in the Zibi development.

The plan would also require that the proponents of the WET system pay the city an energy transfer fee, based on how many litres of wastewater is used. City staff aren't expecting a great deal of revenue, however, estimating the fee would bring in between $15,000 and $42,000 per year.

If approved by the environment committee, the plan would go before council in April.

The WET system would be incorporated into the Dream LeBreton project, which includes more than 600 rental units in two high-rise towers, set to be completed by 2025. Construction is expected to start this year. According to the Canada Green Building Council, the Dream LeBreton project will be the country’s largest residential zero-carbon development.

Other developments, including an NHL arena for the Ottawa Senators and the city of Ottawa's new central library branch, are also part of the redevelopment of LeBreton Flats.

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I just got the new issue of Ontario Homebuilder at work and this project got front page and a nice write-up!

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Doubt we'll ever see a local developer on the front page. Very happy Dream can to town. Thank you Windmill!
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I'll say it again.

Those podiums are very classic Ottawa brutalism type architecture and in this case I like it. Foreign affairs building.

Oh hey.. I can see the bus shelter on Booth with all the doped up folks.

Maybe these towers will end up like that weird iconic red building on the Chicago skyline. An actual Icon.

I'm dying to see ground level continuity between the traditional core and the flats/arena/bayview/preston. This can't be built soon enough.
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New Imagine (I think) from the NCC board of Directors meeting Today
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Interesting. The podium and tower are really quite distinct.
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According to the NCC's Board Meeting the other day, Dream did get approval to tap into the City's sewer system for the building's heating and cooling.
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Any idea when this one goes to committee and council?
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it was approved at planning committee in October of last year and at council soon after.

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No delegations, so no presentation. Recommendations for approval carried.

Disappointed, because I wanted to see the presentation. Staff and developer should still have to show the proposal for information purposes. Would salon be nice to have some comments from everyone to hear why this is a good proposal.
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it was approved at planning committee in October of last year and at council soon after.
I thought I heard someone say it wasn't approved yet. Thanks. I'll update the thread.
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