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Old Posted Apr 3, 2023, 11:41 PM
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2023, 3:03 PM
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Why do the entrances to underground stations have to be fully enclosed while the above ground are nearly fully open? Is there some sort of a law?

Not complaining. Just curious.

Though I feel like we missed an opportunity here for skylights (station box was designed for it) and more impressive stations entrances.
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Why do the entrances to underground stations have to be fully enclosed while the above ground are nearly fully open? Is there some sort of a law?

Not complaining. Just curious.

Though I feel like we missed an opportunity here for skylights (station box was designed for it) and more impressive stations entrances.
If I was to guess, it has to do with fire codes. The above ground and trench stations are specifically designed to avoid having some fire safety systems. It's harder to avoid those with underground stations, so you might as well enclose everything together then.
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One thing that puzzles me about Algonquin is that the CA building does not have a direct underground connection to the station. Weren't the building and the tunnel built together, and didn't the city put $16.6 million at the time? I don't really see the point why these two had to be done concurrently when they're not connected at all. It could have saved the cost of putting in that new footbridge if they had truly planned this out.
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One thing that puzzles me about Algonquin is that the CA building does not have a direct underground connection to the station. Weren't the building and the tunnel built together, and didn't the city put $16.6 million at the time? I don't really see the point why these two had to be done concurrently when they're not connected at all. It could have saved the cost of putting in that new footbridge if they had truly planned this out.
Because they are one next to the other and the tunnel is quite shallow (so no space for a concourse), it could only have had direct connections along the northbound platform. Also, it couldn't even connect to the northbound platform because that side of the tunnel is a storage track. I think the initial idea was to have the trains and buses underground, but instead they decided to use the extra space for those storage tracks on each side of the main line tracks (eventually, see GeoOttawa's Rail Implementation Office layer)
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Because they are one next to the other and the tunnel is quite shallow (so no space for a concourse), it could only have had direct connections along the northbound platform. Also, it couldn't even connect to the northbound platform because that side of the tunnel is a storage track. I think the initial idea was to have the trains and buses underground, but instead they decided to use the extra space for those storage tracks on each side of the main line tracks (eventually, see GeoOttawa's Rail Implementation Office layer)
The station is a centre platform, so even without the future storage track it's not possible. Even without that, ACCE also doesn't have a basement.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2023, 6:50 PM
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The station is a centre platform, so even without the future storage track it's not possible. Even without that, ACCE also doesn't have a basement.
Yeah, there was really no way with the configuration the chose. Plan was always to add overhead walkways instead.
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Yeah, there was really no way with the configuration the chose. Plan was always to add overhead walkways instead.
Yes, but they could have made the North station the main station and made a shorter overhead walkway to connect to the north station instead. You can see the greener spot on the picture. That bridge would have aligned with the Woodroffe pedestrian bridge (how I think it was intended when the building was built).

Now they will end up with a very high traffic flow within the building through the study area. They had to remove one office to create the new bridge connection through the building facade.
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Yes, but they could have made the North station the main station and made a shorter overhead walkway to connect to the north station instead. You can see the greener spot on the picture. That bridge would have aligned with the Woodroffe pedestrian bridge (how I think it was intended when the building was built).

Now they will end up with a very high traffic flow within the building through the study area. They had to remove one office to create the new bridge connection through the building facade.
When the CA building and tunnel were originally designed, it was indeed intended there would be a short overhead walkway connection from the north station. This made sense at the time because the tunnel was originally intended to accommodate both LRT and bus service, so all riders would flow through that station entrance.

However, with the bus tunnel idea scrapped and a new bus terminal planned at the south station, it made more sense to provide a direct connection to the south station to provide a weather-protected walkway for both bus and LRT riders.

I wouldn't be surprised to see an overhead walkway added in the future once the current transitway and lands west of the station are cleared for TOD. Space has been protected in the tunnel and adjacent to the north station to accommodate pillars for a bridge spanning both sides of the station entrance.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see an overhead walkway added in the future once the current transitway and lands west of the station are cleared for TOD. Space has been protected in the tunnel and adjacent to the north station to accommodate pillars for a bridge spanning both sides of the station entrance.
I have also seen wording in the contract that explicitly mentions a future second level to the north station building to connect to a second bridge to acce and to future devolopment to the west lands so your absolutely correct.

There is also protection for a bridge that will connect off of the current / new pedestrian bridge to the south station entrance. Seems there will likely be future devolopment of the parking lot at the south east corner.
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I have also seen wording in the contract that explicitly mentions a future second level to the north station building to connect to a second bridge to acce and to future devolopment to the west lands so your absolutely correct.

There is also protection for a bridge that will connect off of the current / new pedestrian bridge to the south station entrance. Seems there will likely be future devolopment of the parking lot at the south east corner.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of the protection for a future southeast connection. Good to know. The area around Algonquin station has so much surface parking and is ripe for TOD, so I'm happy contingencies have been put in place to accommodate such connections in the future.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2023, 12:58 PM
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A straight oath from the Woodroffe Avenue Bridge to the statiiins makes most sense, but I understand why they went with the bus loop entrance bridge foir now (though that one might be a little overcapacity from day one, so maybe both should have been built).
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LRT night construction noise is "an outrage," Richmond Road condo residents say

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Published Apr 13, 2023 • Last updated 4 hours ago • 4 minute read




Residents of a Richmond Road condominium say they can’t understand why LRT construction work is being allowed to continue until 4 a.m. with an exemption from the city’s noise bylaw.

Excavated material, stockpiled on the LRT construction site on Richmond Road near the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway, was loaded onto dump trucks and hauled away during the night over the past two weeks.

According to the construction consortium, Kiewit and Vinci, the work was done at night to ensure it didn’t interfere with crews on site during the day.

The City of Ottawa granted the consortium an exemption from its noise bylaw, which normally prohibits the operation of construction vehicles and equipment between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m.

“We are currently working day and night at many sites across the project alignment, including Lincoln Fields,” said Jamie Robinson, director of communications and stakeholder engagement for the consortium.

Night work is needed, he said in an email, “to accommodate work that cannot be done during and day and for works that are required to meet the schedule of this large and complex project.”

The city’s noise bylaw gives the director of bylaw and regulatory services the power to issue noise exemptions for city construction projects.

Roger Chapman said he had issued two noise exemptions this year for LRT Phase 2 construction, both in Bay Ward. The second of those exemptions is currently in place and allows construction work to take place between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. until June 30.

The exemption requires that local residents be notified of overnight work at least five days in advance, Chapman said, and that noise levels not exceed 85 decibels.

Bay Ward Councillor Theresa Kavanagh said the exemptions had been issued in recognition of the importance of the Stage 2 LRT project.

“I can understand this has not been easy for residents living near this major construction project from Westboro to Moodie Drive,” Kavanagh said. “My ward is highly impacted since the work is happening in established neighbourhoods, unlike the other Stage 2 LRT line extensions to the east and south.”

Residents of Richmond Road say they can’t understand why the city has granted bylaw exemptions to the company building the LRT, which allows them to operate construction equipment until 4 a.m.

Kavanagh has asked the city to limit noise exemptions to “more impactful” work.

Meanwhile, residents of the building at 1190 Richmond Rd. say they’ve paid with their health for the city’s LRT construction being behind schedule.

Katherine Addleman, president of the condominium’s board of directors, described the overnight construction noise as “unbearable, completely unbearable.”

The intermittent sound of rock crashing into dump trucks made sleep impossible, Addleman said. “You doze off, then 10 minutes later a new truck arrives, and it slams back at you. It has been three or four nights a week for several weeks,” Addleman said, “and most of us would not be able to sleep until 4 a.m., when they would finally stop.”

Residents tried earplugs, white noise and burying themselves in pillows, but nothing could drown out the sound. She called the nighttime work “an outrage.”

“I was afraid I was going to have a stroke, I was so angry,” Addleman said.

The nighttime construction noise stopped this week outside the Richmond Road condominium.

“We’re upset at the way they treated us,” said Huston Eubank, a retired architect. “They’re trying to make up for lost time at the expense of everybody here.”

Eubank’s wife recorded the construction work one night since she was unable to sleep. The video shows a large excavator, working from atop a debris pile, scraping and loading rock and rubble into dump trucks.

The work is only a stone’s throw from the Richmond Road condominium. The new LRT line will pass within two metres of the building’s underground parking garage.

“I think this whole thing was really badly planned,” Eubank said. “I don’t know how it’s happened that they’ve been able to override all of the city’s noise ordinances to do this work. That’s a slap in the face to everybody who lives here.”

Michael Morgan, director of the city’s rail construction program, said the city and its contractors were trying to minimize disruptions caused by night work. That work is sometimes necessary, he said, to manage traffic impacts, to coordinate complex activity and to maintain the project schedule.

“While construction activities can at times be disruptive, the city and its contractors thank residents for their ongoing patience as we work to extend the O-Train system farther west,” Morgan said, adding: “The ability to leverage night work, while respecting the neighbourhoods where the project team is working, is a key tool to advance the project.”

The Confederation Line West project is expected to be finished in late 2026; it will add 15 kilometres of rail and 11 rapid transit stations to the LRT system.

The Stage 2 extension, which goes west from Tunney’s Pasture to Baseline Road and Moodie Drive, is 17 months behind schedule.

https://ottawacitizen.com/feature/lr...-residents-say
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The residents of Westboro demanded that the LRT be placed underground...

Well you got what you wanted so live with the consequences.....

And yes due to the choice of burying the line and unforeseen circumstances keV is being granted leniency to allow them to make up time in the schedule.

If the city does not work with the contractor then the contractor can and likely will come back at the city for more money which the contract allows for.
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The residents of Westboro demanded that the LRT be placed underground...

Well you got what you wanted so live with the consequences.....

And yes due to the choice of burying the line and unforeseen circumstances keV is being granted leniency to allow them to make up time in the schedule.

If the city does not work with the contractor then the contractor can and likely will come back at the city for more money which the contract allows for.
This location isn't anywhere near Westboro. And the rail line was planned to be underground here as it needs to pass under Richmond Rd.
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This is an outrage, and I believe that the residents have every right to be upset. If the City has granted the consortium permission to work at night, then the City MUST do something to make the affected residents whole. It is too easy for bureaucrats, who have nothing to lose, to wave by-laws. There is no penalty for the City, just the scores of people who have spent weeks not being able to sleep.

It doesn’t have to be the City that mitigates the problem. If the consortium NEEDS to work at night, then the City should put the stipulation in place that the consortium MUST pay for alternate lodging (hotel stays) for those affected. This should be a condition for the City granting the waiver. But, so far, the City has shown that it cares naught for its citizens.

Why is it so necessary for the consortium to work at night, anyway? Because the City is losing face because the construction is behind schedule. The City is pushing the consortium to ‘catch-up’. The City is concentrating on the media reports that another major project that the City is in charge of is way behind schedule.

Sure, the City can point to the added cost that it will suffer for the opening being delayed. And how the public is worse off because it needs to continue to take the bus for longer. And how people along the construction corridor will endure DAYTIME construction noise for longer. But the real reason is because the City feels that it is being tarred and feathered for allowing the work to slide off schedule.

The reason that the City has forsaken its tax-paying citizens to speed up the work is an attempt to reduce the embarrassment – just as the late opening of Stage 1 was a major embarrassment.

But the Stage 2 delays are, in part, a completely different issue from the Stage 1 problem. Stage 2 was affected by CoViD-19, and its associated shut-downs. When materials manufacturing plants are shut down, there are unavoidable delays. When the number of workers within an area is reduced, there are going to be delays. These delays are not the fault of the consortium, and the City needs to realize that – and accept that the LRT extensions are going to open late.

The City needs to draw a line under this and sit down with the consortium to earnestly work out a new schedule. One that is fair to residents of the city. That includes negotiating reduced penalties against the consortium for the late handover. But it does not include the City bending over backwards to try to accelerate the work.

This is not to say that all of the delays have been no-one’s fault, and have been unavoidable. There have been some big screw-ups that the City and the consortium should be penalized for. The consortium completely missed on its estimate of what would be involved in constructing the tunnel along the Sir JAM Parkway, for example. That must be held against it. The fact that the truss-work for the new MUP bridge to Woodroffe High School was delivered months late, due to the pandemic, should not be. However, the inexcusable delay in opening that new bridge should be something that both the City and the consortium are accountable for.

According to the contract, that MUP bridge was supposed to open before the old bridge was removed. The old bridge was delaying the completion of the Pinecrest Creek fly-over, but it was left in place until the new bridge had been received and assembled. However, only then was previously unknown infrastructure found under where the eastern access ramp was to go. This meant that there had to be more work done before the new bridge could open. Unfortunately, the removal of the old bridge could not be delayed any longer, lest the fly-over would move onto the critical path, delaying the entire project even further.

The City should have known about the buried infrastructure, and the consortium should have done a better job of preliminary investigations. Both were at fault, but both have done nothing to mitigate the inconvenience to citizens. At the very least, a temporary, wooden, ramp could have been built. Yes, this would have involved a throw-away cost, but the bridge would have been functional for the almost year (so far) that pedestrians have had to endure the nearly kilometre-long detour.

There is blame to go to both sides for the current state of construction. But there is also a large dose of force majeure, which needs to be taken into account. The City and the consortium need to work on accepting that the new extensions will be late opening, and set a new, reasonable, schedule. One that doesn’t involve torturing the City’s residents.
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This location isn't anywhere near Westboro. And the rail line was planned to be underground here as it needs to pass under Richmond Rd.
Your right should have said bay Ward, used to Westboro and area complaining about LRT construction.

But the issue with the delay is from the amount of cut & cover that must be done to fulfill their demands. Less cut & cover, less delay, and less likely the city would have needed to okay so much night work. (Also no COVID or construction worker strike would have helped)

Either way, it's either the night work and a but longer schedule (most likely still going to end with a bill to the city) or no night work, a much larger bill, and a schedule that well have construction disruptions for years to come.
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I wish I had LRT construction in my neighbourhood to complain about, but I don't, and never will, because I chose to live in a more urban location over a suburban one, and that location, at the time, had higher-order, non-bus transit planned for it.

Eiff the construction whiners. Had enough of them in the "2000 buses a day no way" era. My patience hasn't increased in the meantime.
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Interesting tunnel construction, technically "cover-and-cut". I wonder if this is less noisy.

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That is fascinating. Like framing a house after you've built the roof.
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