Heavy Rail, Commuter Rail, & Intercity Transportation

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The problem with that is these events happen more often each year. What if Vancouver gets a storm like this once a month for 4-6 months a year. Or, what if it is a regular occurrence to get 5cm dropped on the area each week? This could be the future. The province and the area builds for earthquakes as they are frequent enough. Before, they didn't and spent billions upgrading structures.

That's an argument for more plows (which never seem to be around when needed here) and more snow tires. Spending the whole budget on some "just in case" trains is a bad idea, especially since the WCE shuts down anyway during an atmospheric river.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

That's an argument for more plows (which never seem to be around when needed here) and more snow tires. Spending the whole budget on some "just in case" trains is a bad idea, especially since the WCE shuts down anyway during an atmospheric river.

So, why not invest in plows?

[Migrant_Coconut]

So we should - much cheaper that way. The CoV already bought two more for the sidewalks earlier this year.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

So we should - much cheaper that way. The CoV already bought two more for the sidewalks earlier this year.

2 more?

Oh wow!

Seriously, can the area do anything that actually is a good thing.

[Migrant_Coconut]

There's a thing called "money." Toronto has a lot of it, and even then they feel the need to call the Army in to handle the snow every once in a while.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

There's a thing called "money." Toronto has a lot of it, and even then they feel the need to call the Army in to handle the snow every once in a while.

Wasn't the army called in for some rain?
Toronto wised up. No army needed anymore.
Next time it rains, should we sent the army to that area in case a drained lake decides to become a lake again?

[casper]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Was it due to their LIM technology? If so, is there a way to make them more robust?

I though they in years past the problem was with ice build up on the doors. The doors on skytrain slide on the outside of the train. Did they also have problems with the LIM plates?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Indeed, stuff like that happens. Might be best in the long run to let Sumas' water remain in Sumas.

No, now Toronto just flies into chaos just like Metro Van does. Snow days in Canada suck, what else is new?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by casper

I though they in years past the problem was with ice build up on the doors. The doors on skytrain slide on the outside of the train. Did they also have problems with the LIM plates?

I wasn't sure, but the doors building up with ice is a very bad thing.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Indeed, stuff like that happens. Might be best in the long run to let Sumas' water remain in Sumas.

No, now Toronto just flies into chaos just like Metro Van does. Snow days in Canada suck, what else is new?

Tell that to all the farmers in the lake.

As far as Toronto, chaos does happen, but the army hasn't been called in since. And the traffic does not come to a halt every time it snows....

[Migrant_Coconut]

Washington State's paid plenty of their farmers to relocate and gave the floodplain back to nature, and those areas rode out the 2021 floods fairly well. You said it yourself - the storms are only going to get worse.

About that traffic...

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by casper

I though they in years past the problem was with ice build up on the doors. The doors on skytrain slide on the outside of the train. Did they also have problems with the LIM plates?

I see we've been sidetracked into 'How SkyTrain works' on the Heavy Rail thread by a bored poster again. There's a Canadian solution to ice on the doors - it's not a problem any more.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Washington State's paid plenty of their farmers to relocate and gave the floodplain back to nature, and those areas rode out the 2021 floods fairly well. You said it yourself - the storms are only going to get worse.

About that traffic...

10 hours
60 cm of snow

VS

The night of the 11-hour commute

The storm dumped between 10 and 20 centimetres of snow
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/11-hour-commute-drivers-trapped-snow


https://www.ctvnews.ca/it-s-been-23-year...e-army-after-a-major-snowstorm-1.5736957
It's been 23 years since Toronto called in the army after a major snowstorm

The first storm arrived on Jan. 2, 1999 and dropped almost 38 centimetres of snow,


So, if Vancouver got triple the snowfall, would one expect a 30 hour commute?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

10 hours
60 cm of snow

VS

The night of the 11-hour commute

The storm dumped between 10 and 20 centimetres of snow
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/11-hour-commute-drivers-trapped-snow


https://www.ctvnews.ca/it-s-been-23-year...e-army-after-a-major-snowstorm-1.5736957
It's been 23 years since Toronto called in the army after a major snowstorm

The first storm arrived on Jan. 2, 1999 and dropped almost 38 centimetres of snow,


So, if Vancouver got triple the snowfall, would one expect a 30 hour commute?

Keep the comments coming. They're all entertaining, even if they're entirely irrelevant to the thread topic and piss off some of the Vancouver posters for filling up the thread. Still bored, I guess?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Keep the comments coming. They're all entertaining, even if they're entirely irrelevant to the thread topic and piss off some of the Vancouver posters for filling up the thread. Still bored, I guess?

So, working on making a better transit network so that when the future snowstorms hit the city is not crippled is a bad thing?

11 hours for 20cm of snow. 33 hours for 60cm of snow?

Building out the Skytrain and expanding the WCE are both things that would allow the situation of a 12 hour commute not happen.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, working on making a better transit network so that when the future snowstorms hit the city is not crippled is a bad thing?

11 hours for 20cm of snow. 33 hours for 60cm of snow?

Building out the Skytrain and expanding the WCE are both things that would allow the situation of a 12 hour commute not happen.

Better call TransLink and the mayors to cancel the 9 BRT routes they're rolling out over the next 10 years

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Keep the comments coming. They're all entertaining, even if they're entirely irrelevant to the thread topic and piss off some of the Vancouver posters for filling up the thread. Still bored, I guess?

Why aren't you chiding Migrant Coconut for bringing in his "skytrain" talk instead? This thread is about heavy rail, commuter and intercity transportation, and skytrain should not be discussed to the detail. As far as I can tell, swimmer_spe is on point with his discussion: the WCE belongs here! You guys are literally derailing this thread.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Better call TransLink and the mayors to cancel the 9 BRT routes they're rolling out over the next 10 years

Why waste the money on BRT?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Why aren't you chiding Migrant Coconut for bringing in his "skytrain" talk instead? This thread is about heavy rail, commuter and intercity transportation, and skytrain should not be discussed to the detail. As far as I can tell, swimmer_spe is on point with his discussion: the WCE belongs here! You guys are literally derailing this thread.

That's almost amusing! Well done! If swimmer_spe finds a better hobby than commenting about fantasy transit here from Armpit, Ontario, (or wherever they are) without any understanding of Vancouver, Migrant Coconut and I wouldn't be trying to patiently explain how things really are. For example, we've never had 60cm of snow, in one dump, in any records. Our annual average is 40cm in total, over 9 days. But I understand why you'd enjoy someone raising impractically expensive ideas.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Changing City

That's almost amusing! Well done! If swimmer_spe finds a better hobby than commenting about fantasy transit here from Armpit, Ontario, (or wherever they are) without any understanding of Vancouver, Migrant Coconut and I wouldn't be trying to patiently explain how things really are. For example, we've never had 60cm of snow, in one dump, in any records. Our annual average is 40cm in total, over 9 days. But I understand why you'd enjoy someone raising impractically expensive ideas.

So, what did the city look like after 40 cm? I am guessing 12+ hour commutes was what it looked like, right?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, what did the city look like after 40 cm? I am guessing 12+ hour commutes was what it looked like, right?

40cm in a year. The most in one day was just over 20cm. If you want to see pictures, there are search engines. This week was as bad as it generally gets - it's not only the amount that falls that matters, it's when during the day (rush hour is bad), how early in the year (too many people still without snow tyres) and how cold the air temperature is (often the snow melts on contact with the pavement - but not this time). It's very unusual for a plane to slide off the runway - but it happened this week. That doesn't mean YVR should invest in heated runways for the rare event like this week.