Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C - Page 118

thebasketballgeek · #**2341** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Very unlikely in the sense of building shared corridors. Even the existing SW BRT (aka the "Blue Line") was originally conceived as a route that would share the CN ROW near Pembina Highway but it was shifted west to a much wider hydro corridor.

Most of the rail corridors are quite narrow and at first glance it seems unlikely that they could accommodate BRT/eventual LRT without very costly means like elevated structures.

That is quite a valid point, but surely it would cost less then building brand new infrastructure that we’ve been doing for BRT that already possesses elevated structures.

Also, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a shared corridor either and could be just an alternative source of public transportation to the existing/future BRT lines. This could then provide more coverage of public transportation to Manitobans in a more efficient manner.

Either way it’s up to CN if they’re ever willing to move out of Winnipeg proper which I venture is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future.

Coldrsx · #**2342** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 3:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

How big was Ottawa before they started on something more than the original O-Train and Transitways?

Edmonton's LRT opened in 1978 with a population of 478,000.

ShavedParmesanCheese · #**2343** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 3:58 PM**

Kitchener + Waterloo (not the region) have under 400,000 and their LRT opened a few years ago

Hybrid247 · #**2344** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 4:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Very unlikely in the sense of building shared corridors. Even the existing SW BRT (aka the "Blue Line") was originally conceived as a route that would share the CN ROW near Pembina Highway but it was shifted west to a much wider hydro corridor.

Most of the rail corridors are quite narrow and at first glance it seems unlikely that they could accommodate BRT/eventual LRT without very costly means like elevated structures.

Did the city hold talks with CN at any point about the possibility of shifting the CN ROW to the hydro corridor to convert the current ROW beside the Pembina highway to BRT instead? At first glance, the Pembina corridor looks like it would have been far more useful and accessible to riders.

esquire · #**2345** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 9:25 PM**

^ Not so far as I am aware. I can't imagine that the railways would ever be willing to do such a thing unless the City paid top dollar for their land, which I doubt it's really in the position to.

Pembina is definitely more built up but it is mostly lower density, SFH/single and two-storey commercial type stuff. There are some larger buildings as you get closer to the University of Manitoba but the BRT line already hugs Pembina by the time it gets that far south. It is possible that the dogleg as it is locally known (along the Hydro ROW) could end up being more beneficial to the city if it actually spurs some TOD, which it admittedly hasn't really done yet.

Hybrid247 · #**2346** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ Not so far as I am aware. I can't imagine that the railways would ever be willing to do such a thing unless the City paid top dollar for their land, which I doubt it's really in the position to.

Pembina is definitely more built up but it is mostly lower density, SFH/single and two-storey commercial type stuff. There are some larger buildings as you get closer to the University of Manitoba but the BRT line already hugs Pembina by the time it gets that far south. It is possible that the dogleg as it is locally known (along the Hydro ROW) could end up being more beneficial to the city if it actually spurs some TOD, which it admittedly hasn't really done yet.

Gotchya, thanks for the insight. I would imagine the high voltage power lines would deter TOD in that area, no? Can't imagine many people would want to pay market rates to live beside a hydro corridor.

swimmer_spe · #**2347** Posted **Aug 20, 2021, 2:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Very unlikely in the sense of building shared corridors. Even the existing SW BRT (aka the "Blue Line") was originally conceived as a route that would share the CN ROW near Pembina Highway but it was shifted west to a much wider hydro corridor.

Most of the rail corridors are quite narrow and at first glance it seems unlikely that they could accommodate BRT/eventual LRT without very costly means like elevated structures.

I am not suggesting adding more rail, but using the existing rail. Ideally, if it could fit another track, it could then be used with heavy rail cars.

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Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

That is quite a valid point, but surely it would cost less then building brand new infrastructure that we’ve been doing for BRT that already possesses elevated structures.

Also, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a shared corridor either and could be just an alternative source of public transportation to the existing/future BRT lines. This could then provide more coverage of public transportation to Manitobans in a more efficient manner.

Either way it’s up to CN if they’re ever willing to move out of Winnipeg proper which I venture is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future.

It isn't just CN, it is CP as well.
https://rac.jmaponline.net/canadianrailatlas/
Zoom in and they both have the corridors. moving their yards might be possible, but it is also the rail corridors that would be important.

swimmer_spe · #**2348** Posted **Aug 20, 2021, 2:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Edmonton's LRT opened in 1978 with a population of 478,000.

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Originally Posted by ShavedParmesanCheese

Kitchener + Waterloo (not the region) have under 400,000 and their LRT opened a few years ago

So, that means that Winnipeg is primed for it.

esquire · #**2349** Posted **Aug 20, 2021, 3:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hybrid247

Gotchya, thanks for the insight. I would imagine the high voltage power lines would deter TOD in that area, no? Can't imagine many people would want to pay market rates to live beside a hydro corridor.

Good question... I assume no residential development would take place right on the hydro corridor, but plenty of people do live near hydro corridors in Winnipeg... whatever plans are hatched for TOD would probably be similar in that regard.

Hydro has moved the lines around to accommodate big-box development on the other side of the CN line north of Taylor Ave., so I guess that's a possibility too.

J.OT13 · #**2350** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 6:23 PM**

Ottawa Confederation Line Stage 2 progress.

East-end. Place d'Orleans, Jeanne d'Arc station and Montreal stations, along with the Gloucester High School overpass (near the current terminus of Blair) are at various stages of visible progress.

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Partial west-end. Moodie to Lincoln Fields progress. Significant foundation work at Lincoln Fields. Flyovers at split well advanced. Ongoing trench work at Queensview. Steel structure going up at Moodie Yards. Lots of digging everywhere else. Bayshore is the only station with little progress as they want it fully functional as long as possible.

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J.OT13 · #**2351** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 6:26 PM**

Inside and outside of future Trillium Stadler FLIRT fleet.

https://twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa/status/1428783346008662019

Coldrsx · #**2352** Posted **Aug 26, 2021, 6:28 PM**

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https://marigoldinfra.ca/valley-line-west-lrt-look-ahead-video/

Coldrsx · #**2353** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 9:11 PM**

Kaizen on SRC
https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...-of-edmonton.24534/page-139#post-1730841

J.OT13 · #**2354** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 1:00 PM**

Rails installation has begun along the east alignment of the Confederation Line extension.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa/status/1433495532777975820

First Stadler FLIRT on its way to Canada.

https://twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa/status/1433495700839485442

Gladstone Station along Trillium, between Bayview (transfer to Line 1) and Dow's Lake (TOD central, future Civic Hospital) from Rail Fans Discord.

Coldrsx · #**2355** Posted **Sep 5, 2021, 4:03 PM**

A nice update from Edmonchuk on SRC

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...-lrt-m-s-city-of-edmonton.24534/page-140

Coldrsx · #**2356** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 6:03 PM**

I REALLY like the look of this new bridge and the trail system/landscaping is very promising.

Black Star · #**2357** Posted **Sep 11, 2021, 12:09 AM**

Looks really good.....I'm impressed with most of this line.

ue · #**2358** Posted **Sep 11, 2021, 12:29 AM**

There isn't an actual date set for opening of the Valley Line yet is there?

Black Star · #**2359** Posted **Sep 11, 2021, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by ue

There isn't an actual date set for opening of the Valley Line yet is there?

They say Dec 2021...92% complete. About a year behind schedule or so. The goal post keep moving daily....weekly....monthly = bad management from contractors and the City Of Edmonton. Surprise surprise.

ue · #**2360** Posted **Sep 11, 2021, 2:45 AM**

Ah, ok. Yeah, I only keep seeing "by the end of 2022" and am getting anxious to ride the new rails.