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Old Posted May 20, 2021, 4:11 PM
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This looks like a very interesting development planned for the far southeast side:

https://chicagoyimby.com/2021/05/ren...east-side.html
It's hard for me to understand how this can possibly pencil out. If I was going to build a warehouse on the far southeast side undeground or on a field somewhere near Joliet, my back of the envelope calculation is that it would be cheaper to build above ground, even if land and energy costs were zero for the below ground structure.
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It's hard for me to understand how this can possibly pencil out. If I was going to build a warehouse on the far southeast side undeground or on a field somewhere near Joliet, my back of the envelope calculation is that it would be cheaper to build above ground, even if land and energy costs were zero for the below ground structure.
Maybe being underground makes some climate control requirements easier?
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Old Posted May 20, 2021, 5:17 PM
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This looks like a very interesting development planned for the far southeast side:

https://chicagoyimby.com/2021/05/ren...east-side.html
This whole development seems really really strange to me. 350' below grade?? Why so deep? That's roughly a 35 story building underground...? This is crazy nuke bunker depth territory. Do they know something we don't??
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This whole development seems really really strange to me. 350' below grade?? Why so deep? That's roughly a 35 story building underground...? This is crazy nuke bunker depth territory. Do they know something we don't??
It’s a limestone mine.

That’s why the stated business plan (Vertical farming, manufacturing, etc) doesn’t seem to match the expense.

Industrial must be so hot that Ozinga figures it can make some money extracting limestone, then lease the space out for whatever.



—“The engineers plan to leave huge, 36-by-36-foot pillars of limestone while the rest of the limestone is extracted and sold. The pillars will support large, cathedral-like spaces that can then be turned into individual buildings with more standard construction.”

https://www.fastcompany.com/90615861...et-underground

—“Construction materials company Ozinga Bros. Inc. is proposing to build a 6 million square foot underground warehouse development on a former steel site along the Calumet River on the Southeast Side.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago...oxic-u-s-steel
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Old Posted May 21, 2021, 12:57 PM
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It's hard for me to understand how this can possibly pencil out. If I was going to build a warehouse on the far southeast side undeground or on a field somewhere near Joliet, my back of the envelope calculation is that it would be cheaper to build above ground, even if land and energy costs were zero for the below ground structure.
You're aware that these types of vast underground complexes already exist in a number of places, right? I know there are several of them around St. Louis, mainly because, just like this proposal, the limestone mines left huge spaces that could easily be converted to modern structures for relatively little additional cost. With the former steel mill leaving the top 50-100' of soil in irreparable environmental condition, it makes sense to do a project like this.

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Old Posted May 21, 2021, 1:55 PM
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This looks like a very interesting development planned for the far southeast side:

https://chicagoyimby.com/2021/05/ren...east-side.html
Cool concept, but why do they always think we biologists (from the looks of the lab layout) require (and can withstand) a windowless space? Lolz!
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Old Posted May 21, 2021, 3:51 PM
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Tribune Company sale to Alden Capital approved by shareholders.
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Old Posted May 21, 2021, 7:46 PM
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For a major city and especially for a city the size of Chicago, the Tribune is not good nor is their website. The Tribune is a 'has been' paper unfortunately. Not surprised by this news
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For a major city and especially for a city the size of Chicago, the Tribune is not good nor is their website. The Tribune is a 'has been' paper unfortunately. Not surprised by this news
It really is garbage and is going to get worse now until it becomes nothing more than a third rate news aggregator (+John Kass, probably) full of advertisements like “one woman found A NEAT TRICK to cure TOENAIL FUNGUS”

Which as you said, is really tragic for a city with the size and history of Chicago. The sun times isn’t much better.
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The sun times isn’t much better.
Its a little better, in that they seem to support the city more and sh*t on it a lot less than the Trib does (or Crain's for that matter), but they have a much smaller fraction of the resources/journalists that the Trib does.

Its a bummer that this deal went through, the Trib is going to be absolutely gutted by Alden.
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Its a little better, in that they seem to support the city more and sh*t on it a lot less than the Trib does (or Crain's for that matter), but they have a much smaller fraction of the resources/journalists that the Trib does.

Its a bummer that this deal went through, the Trib is going to be absolutely gutted by Alden.
yeah, I guess maybe it's the Sun Time's chance to shine.

Their digital subscriptions are really cheap, btw...
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It really is garbage and is going to get worse now until it becomes nothing more than a third rate news aggregator (+John Kass, probably) full of advertisements like “one woman found A NEAT TRICK to cure TOENAIL FUNGUS”

Which as you said, is really tragic for a city with the size and history of Chicago. The sun times isn’t much better.
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On a more sad note, the Trib's upcoming demolition and destruction will only serve to give people one less source of fairly reliable, trustworthy news and information. All the better for the standard dose of 99% false crap you get on the internet! Cue additional conspiracy theory sites!

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yeah, I guess maybe it's the Sun Time's chance to shine.

Their digital subscriptions are really cheap, btw...
Absolutely is. I support both publications in fact. I think supporting local journalism is important, especially in Illinois where lawmakers have a history of shady shennanigans that need to be curbed/revealed by the Fourth Estate.
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Absolutely is. I support both publications in fact. I think supporting local journalism is important, especially in Illinois where lawmakers have a history of shady shennanigans that need to be curbed/revealed by the Fourth Estate.
yeah I subscribe to both as well (as well as Crain's and Block Club Chicago), though I often question my Tribune subscription...
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yeah I subscribe to both as well (as well as Crain's and Block Club Chicago), though I often question my Tribune subscription...
I have subscriptions for all the Chicago media outlets as well, but the Alden deal led me to cancel the Tribune. When I called to cancel my subscription, the woman on the phone said that she had been receiving cancelation requests all day.
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Old Posted May 23, 2021, 6:56 PM
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^^In a way, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: Alden already has a terrible reputation for slash-and-burn tactics at other newspapers, diluting the quality significantly. Informed readers of the Tribune, decide they want nothing to do with the paper anymore and start cancelling subscriptions en masse..which then the parent company uses to justify slash-and-burn tactics for their newest acquisition.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/99873...tribune-papers

This is nothing new, the Tribune was destroyed the minute Sam Zell decided to buy it, for whatever reason. May that foul demon rot in hell.
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^^In a way, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: Alden already has a terrible reputation for slash-and-burn tactics at other newspapers, diluting the quality significantly. Informed readers of the Tribune, decide they want nothing to do with the paper anymore and start cancelling subscriptions en masse..which then the parent company uses to justify slash-and-burn tactics for their newest acquisition.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/99873...tribune-papers

This is nothing new, the Tribune was destroyed the minute Sam Zell decided to buy it, for whatever reason. May that foul demon rot in hell.
I need to know more about Zell's tenure with the Tribune. I only know that that was the time when the paper went downhill.
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Found this interesting:


Cooley Bets on the Midwest Venture Scene with New Chicago Office

May 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

Official launch includes 10 partners
Move was “no brainer” for firm, despite others’ doubts

Cooley’s official launch of a 10-partner Chicago outpost on Monday is a culmination of what firm vice chair Mike Lincoln said was a decade of scoping out the Midwestern venture capital scene, which he believes can support the firm’s full-service office ambitions.

Bloomberg Law reported last month Cooley was poised to open in Chicago with former Winston & Strawn partner Rick Ginsberg and former DLA Piper partner Greg Grossman. The firm said the office will also include former Latham & Watkins partner Laurie Bauer.

Those lawyers represent venture capital firms and emerging companies, a practice that has built Cooley’s national brand and helped it become one of the fastest-growing law firms in the past decade with revenue more than tripling since 2010. Cooley has become the first among a small group of Big Law firms that made their names representing startups in Silicon Valley to put down stakes in Chicago.

Some competitors have privately questioned whether Chicago’s start-up scene is mature enough to reward Cooley for its investment. But Lincoln said in an interview the Midwest has Cooley’s stamp of approval, benefiting recently from the buildup of software engineers and academic institutions that are launching more important companies.

“The time is ripe for taking advantage of that trend,” Lincoln said. “For us, as long as we could identify the right team, which we’ve done, we viewed it as a no-brainer to make this move.”

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/busine...chicago-office
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I need to know more about Zell's tenure with the Tribune. I only know that that was the time when the paper went downhill.
Here's a NYT article circa 2010 that does a good job with the details:

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/b...dia%20industry.
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