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TheRitsman · #**841** Posted **Dec 23, 2020, 8:40 PM**

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This is more what I was trying to get at. They are decent buildings that will likely attract further development, and other businesses in the area.

For sure. These kinds of developments will bring interest to the downtown that will attract better developments as developers recognize the potential of Hamilton finally

TheHonestMaple · #**842** Posted **Dec 23, 2020, 8:49 PM**

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For sure. These kinds of developments will bring interest to the downtown that will attract better developments as developers recognize the potential of Hamilton finally

I think developers already recognise the potential. It's the people that need to recognise it first. No developer is going to build if there's no buyers. But we're seeing a shift, we're seeing people move here from other parts of the GTHA because of the urban feel of Hamilton. And to me it seems like the change is coming quickly. I've witnessed a radical change in the past 5 years. More young educated professionals live downtown than probably at any other point, and it's obvious.

TheRitsman · #**843** Posted **Dec 23, 2020, 9:19 PM**

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I think developers already recognise the potential. It's the people that need to recognise it first. No developer is going to build if there's no buyers. But we're seeing a shift, we're seeing people move here from other parts of the GTHA because of the urban feel of Hamilton. And to me it seems like the change is coming quickly. I've witnessed a radical change in the past 5 years. More young educated professionals live downtown than probably at any other point, and it's obvious.

The jobs really need to follow. The people I've talked to are really struggling to find their like of work in Hamilton. The offices are still empty unless it's a niche business, and a lot of people work for big companies. We need an anchor office downtown like IBM, CIBC, Google, something. Waterloo is killer on the tech scene because everyone wants to work down the street from Google.

My hope was that LRT plus these types of developments would spur that attraction since our city is so bad at doing that. LRT and these investments would organically attract this, but we may have to rely on condos alone unfortunately.

TheHonestMaple · #**844** Posted **Dec 23, 2020, 10:15 PM**

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The jobs really need to follow. The people I've talked to are really struggling to find their like of work in Hamilton. The offices are still empty unless it's a niche business, and a lot of people work for big companies. We need an anchor office downtown like IBM, CIBC, Google, something. Waterloo is killer on the tech scene because everyone wants to work down the street from Google.

My hope was that LRT plus these types of developments would spur that attraction since our city is so bad at doing that. LRT and these investments would organically attract this, but we may have to rely on condos alone unfortunately.

ya KW is quite far ahead on that front, they've done amazingly in that past ten years or so. I almost moved there, but it just doesn't have the urban feel that Hamilton has, and couldn't picture myself there.

TheRitsman · #**845** Posted **Dec 23, 2020, 10:28 PM**

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ya KW is quite far ahead on that front, they've done amazingly in that past ten years or so. I almost moved there, but it just doesn't have the urban feel that Hamilton has, and couldn't picture myself there.

Exactly. Unless you live right downtown it's not very urban. Hamilton and Toronto have those great areas just outside the core that feel like a "village within a city" that I just love. Mirvish Village, Danforth, Greek town, could be put aside the likes a Ottawa, James, Locke, Concession, and hopefully in the future, much of King and Main and Kenilworth and Parkdale.

TheHonestMaple · #**846** Posted **Dec 23, 2020, 10:36 PM**

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Exactly. Unless you live right downtown it's not very urban. Hamilton and Toronto have those great areas just outside the core that feel like a "village within a city" that I just love. Mirvish Village, Danforth, Greek town, could be put aside the likes a Ottawa, James, Locke, Concession, and hopefully in the future, much of King and Main and Kenilworth and Parkdale.

Even their downtown isn't really much of a downtown. I expect that to change. But downtown Kitchener is really just one street, Waterloo much the same.

Chronamut · #**847** Posted **Dec 23, 2020, 11:16 PM**

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Exactly. Unless you live right downtown it's not very urban. Hamilton and Toronto have those great areas just outside the core that feel like a "village within a city" that I just love. Mirvish Village, Danforth, Greek town, could be put aside the likes a Ottawa, James, Locke, Concession, and hopefully in the future, much of King and Main and Kenilworth and Parkdale.

lol I notice you didn't mention barton and cannon

barton was its own township back in the day way before any of us were born.

ChildishGavino · #**848** Posted **Dec 24, 2020, 12:00 AM**

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lol I notice you didn't mention barton and cannon

barton was its own township back in the day way before any of us were born.

Barton was the name of the township Hamilton was a part of, like Stoney Creek and Saltfleet. It was annexed into the city in... the 50s? Round there.

TheRitsman · #**849** Posted **Dec 24, 2020, 12:09 AM**

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lol I notice you didn't mention barton and cannon

barton was its own township back in the day way before any of us were born.

I would definitely include Barton, not so much Cannon. There's no village feel along Cannon. It feels like a repurposed arterial road with a few businesses on it.

bigguy1231 · #**850** Posted **Dec 24, 2020, 12:39 AM**

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lol I notice you didn't mention barton and cannon

barton was its own township back in the day way before any of us were born.

The last of Barton township was annexed by Hamilton in 1973. It was an area on the South mountain.

ShavedParmesanCheese · #**851** Posted **Dec 24, 2020, 1:11 AM**

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I would definitely include Barton, not so much Cannon. There's no village feel along Cannon. It feels like a repurposed arterial road with a few businesses on it.

Barton St for certain. It's the city's secondary (and in some places primary) E-W commercial avenue.

I can't wait for the day when I can walk down Kenilworth past dark without a sense of caution. Between Kenilworth, Queenston, and Parkdale, it's the one that's got the best bones for future growth. It was on the belt line after all.

(Vintage Hamilton - Facebook)

Chronamut · #**852** Posted **Dec 24, 2020, 2:08 AM**

barton st has been sketchy ever since I can remember, cannon st too - a shame to see what it degenerated to over the years.

Kenilworth isn't too bad.. during the day as you say. I live at the top of kenilworth by the escarpment so I frequent it often. There are just so many buildings falling apart along that stretch. Mind you as a kid ottawa st felt sketchy too, now look at it.

If the city can gentrify both those street stretches, THEN I shall be impressed.

craftbeerdad · #**853** Posted **Jan 4, 2021, 9:24 PM**

Let's not forget the International Village, it's a pretty sweet area that's self contained (once all the buildings go up). It's one of my favourite commercial strips, nice for walking, great architecture (used in almost everything filmed in Hamilton) and if I were opening a business, I'd go there.

TheHonestMaple · #**854** Posted **Jan 4, 2021, 10:24 PM**

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Let's not forget the International Village, it's a pretty sweet area that's self contained (once all the buildings go up). It's one of my favourite commercial strips, nice for walking, great architecture (used in almost everything filmed in Hamilton) and if I were opening a business, I'd go there.

With 1 Jarvis and Kiwi Condos that area is going to really transform, huge influx of high earning residents.

Chronamut · #**855** Posted **Jan 4, 2021, 11:20 PM**

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With 1 Jarvis and Kiwi Condos that area is going to really transform, huge influx of high earning residents.

And right near the police station so people should behave more lol..

TheRitsman · #**856** Posted **Jan 5, 2021, 12:32 AM**

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And right near the police station so people should behave more lol..

My coworker lives above international village and her entrance is in the alleyway where the old theatre was. You'd be surprised the people that hang around immediately outside the police station...

TheHonestMaple · #**857** Posted **Jan 5, 2021, 12:49 AM**

ya King William can get a bit dodgy that way.

Chronamut · #**858** Posted **Jan 5, 2021, 1:41 AM**

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My coworker lives above international village and her entrance is in the alleyway where the old theatre was. You'd be surprised the people that hang around immediately outside the police station...

Alleyways have been sketchy since the dawn of time

matt602 · #**859** Posted **Jan 5, 2021, 5:33 AM**

I used to go into that theatre quite a bit before it was demolished and it proved to me that near a police station is actually an excellent place to do the crimes. Cops going on and getting off their shift really aren't in the mood to get involved with anything.

ScreamingViking · #**860** Posted **Jan 5, 2021, 8:06 PM**

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I used to go into that theatre quite a bit before it was demolished and it proved to me that near a police station is actually an excellent place to do the crimes. Cops going on and getting off their shift really aren't in the mood to get involved with anything.

And those that are in the mood may be "involved" in a different way.