Sen̓áḵw (Squamish Nation) | 11 Towers | 171m | 58fl | 4M sqft | U/C

[rofina]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I haven't seen a lot of evidence of boomers freaking out. But they are certainly getting what they deserve. I hope this project materializes as currently envisioned.

I grossly exaggerated, using "all."

I have family friends that are life long West Side residents - very cliche bunch.
Write the stereotypes and they fit right into them.

All while managing to acquire multiple properties on average salaries 35 years ago, having them rented out for early retirement cash flow.

They are vehemently opposed to all this and vocal too. Renters are bad, except those ones that occupy their units of course.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by rofina

I grossly exaggerated, using "all."

I have family friends that are life long West Side residents - very cliche bunch.
Write the stereotypes and they fit right into them.

All while managing to acquire multiple properties on average salaries 35 years ago, having them rented out for early retirement cash flow.

They are vehemently opposed to all this and vocal too. Renters are bad, except those ones that occupy their units of course.

Oh I'm sure they exist, I just haven't seen the evidence. In fact I've just seen an overwhelming amount of schadenfreude about the the impact this will have on that area's whiners.

[Migrant_Coconut]

The Connaught Park and Cornwall crowds are probably going to lose their minds too. This should be fun...

[cairnstone]

I am waiting to see what this turns into as the logistics behind this to be even remotely close to being able to have move in ready suites in 6 years. Under ideal conditions they could have suites in about 5 years if this turns into a multi phase project. The competition for trades will be a big issue as there are so many large projects starting in the same time frame. Unless they have a plan to bring in foreign workers and run 2 shifts a day. As they would also not need to follow city noise bylaws.


One thing when chatting with peers about this is that as a contractor you cant lien the project.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

I am waiting to see what this turns into as the logistics behind this to be even remotely close to being able to have move in ready suites in 6 years. Under ideal conditions they could have suites in about 5 years if this turns into a multi phase project. The competition for trades will be a big issue as there are so many large projects starting in the same time frame. Unless they have a plan to bring in foreign workers and run 2 shifts a day. As they would also not need to follow city noise bylaws.


One thing when chatting with peers about this is that as a contractor you cant lien the project.

No way this timeline is achieved. There aren't enough trades in town.

Not with whats already being worked on, and not with the infrastructure works that are coming down the line in 2020.

Shape is new to the game in Metro, but using local trades and Brentwood has taken them since 2014. This is more ambitious, in a more challenging area of town, and during a time where trades are at capacity.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by rofina

No way this timeline is achieved. There aren't enough trades in town.

Not with whats already being worked on, and not with the infrastructure works that are coming down the line in 2020.

Shape is new to the game in Metro, but using local trades and Brentwood has taken them since 2014. This is more ambitious, in a more challenging area of town, and during a time where trades are at capacity.

Look for a flood of TFW applications.

People love to say "build our way to affordability" but the infrastucture and labour isn't there to support multiple massive projects.

[cairnstone]

peek construction will see a 2 thousand people trying to get into the site everyday. Maybe CP will be the big winner here and build a parkade across the street just for the trades. More and more trades are coming from the valley so they are not going to be coming by bus.

If they said this was a 20 year build out like Concords False Creek that's great. Architects and planners can adjust the design as things change, but 11 buildings in 6 years thing as Unicorns.

I bet there is close to a year in primary off site works to accommodate this site.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by whatnext

People love to say "build our way to affordability" but the infrastucture and labour isn't there to support multiple massive projects.

Neither was there really in Yaletown when it developed in the 90s (and arguably the West End in the 70s) David Lam Park is 20 minutes from an Expo Line Station

Also, the Granville and Artubus Skytrain Stations are 15 minutes away from this site. To say nothing of the Greenway, Streetcar, Burrard Bridge, False Creek Ferry, or anything of that sort.

It's not really as bad as you make it out to be.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Neither was there really in Yaletown when it developed in the 90s (and arguably the West End in the 70s) David Lam Park is 20 minutes from an Expo Line Station

Also, the Granville and Artubus Skytrain Stations are 15 minutes away from this site. To say nothing of the Greenway, Streetcar, Burrard Bridge, False Creek Ferry, or anything of that sort.

It's not really as bad as you make it out to be.

Yaletown developed at a far slower pace.

[NotToScale]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I haven't seen a lot of evidence of boomers freaking out. But they are certainly getting what they deserve. I hope this project materializes as currently envisioned.

Getting what they deserve?

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Neither was there really in Yaletown when it developed in the 90s (and arguably the West End in the 70s) David Lam Park is 20 minutes from an Expo Line Station

Also, the Granville and Artubus Skytrain Stations are 15 minutes away from this site. To say nothing of the Greenway, Streetcar, Burrard Bridge, False Creek Ferry, or anything of that sort.

It's not really as bad as you make it out to be.

I dont think the false creek ferry will help out when you have 1000s of people waiting to go some where.

Other mass developments have actually paided for stations. So this one gets a free ride? They should be on the hook for developing the street car station and also pay for the running gear. Any other future developments will pay back into the pool. This is the way things work if it comes to wanting Hydro to a new industrial site.

[Jougho]

Well folks, we are in for a ride, buckle up and hold on tight. Just wait until the Squamish Nation gets back control of adjoining Vanier Park.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by NotToScale

Getting what they deserve?

Yes. Endure a bit of the growing pains of the city like everybody else does.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I'm surprised you're not insisting the Squamish build 70-80 floors up on every site. Aside from the big one, Senakh is averaging 15-30; that, plus a 40 or three done right is what I've consistently said should be the height on Broadway.

(1)A one-size-fits-all 40+ all around the city is what you see in Shanghai and Hong Kong, and that's only because they've got over 3x the people to put inside half the space. That'll be us around the year 2186.



(2)Your history needs a brush-up; Hastings was already an "edgy" neighbourhood ever since the Depression. Then the Expo 86 renovictions, closing of Riverview and lack of replacements put nails in the coffin.

So... don't renovict, and provide access to affordable housing & health facilities, but still keep new money and new people coming in. That's what City Hall's doing now.



When we're got people talking about ghettos and "a casino, gas station, weed store, and tobacco store," it's right on the nose.

(1) I've never said there should be a "one size fits all" 40+ all over town, have I? Must be in your dreams. You only wanted 20+ storied buildings, now the Squamish development should change all the "status quo", as I see you have accepted already.

(2) I think it's your history that needs a brush-up. The entire Western civilization was edgy during the Great Depression, and what came after the devastating Great War. Even Wall Street was "edgy", with numerous people jumping off the buildings now and then.

Originally Posted by logan5

Yes. Endure a bit of the growing pains of the city like everybody else does.

You can say that again, but that's only for those nasty selfish boomers. For the rest of us who love skycrapers, this is nothing but pure joy.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by NotToScale

Getting what they deserve?

Yup. Getting some density in a part of town that has avoided it for no reason other than having loud, influential people living there simultaneously profiting from the RE boom while not having to deal with most of the drawbacks.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by NotToScale

Getting what they deserve?

They've fought against smaller projects forever, now we're in crisis mode as far as housing goes, and it's going to hit them like an avalanche.

That's in their minds, I think it's positive no matter where you live today.

[NotToScale]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

They've fought against smaller projects forever, now we're in crisis mode as far as housing goes, and it's going to hit them like an avalanche.

That's in their minds, I think it's positive no matter where you live today.

Ok

[WarrenC12]

When the new Children's hospital was being built, there were 400-500 workers on site during peak times. They were expressly forbidden from parking in any of the visitor spots in the hospital area. The neighbourhood is already jammed with staff trying to find spots and resident only parking, etc. In short, a parking mess.

Somehow, it worked out. That's the least of my concerns for this development.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Jougho

Well folks, we are in for a ride, buckle up and hold on tight. Just wait until the Squamish Nation gets back control of adjoining Vanier Park.

They won't, it is not up for grabs.

[Aroundtheworld]

Does anybody know if there will be public elevators connecting this development to the Burrard Bridge.

This seems like a no-brainer for me when it comes to accessibility and getting people to walk/cycle there.