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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 3:47 AM
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New conceptual renderings for Piers 5-7 have been released...

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Where are we along with this? Is this still going forward, or is this caught up in the whole LPAT thing with Pier 8?

Or is this still a dream Hamilton had a while back?
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Hamilton is really unlucky that local crank Herman Turkstra also happens to be a great municipal law attorney.
He has a strong history of being a P.I.T.A. too.

His battles seem to be becoming more locally focused on his own neighbourhood though. I recall an editorial by Turkstra a few years ago claiming that Hamilton's waterfront wasn't the west harbour, but the Lake Ontario shore. NIMBY enough Herm?
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As far as i know the development is going forward. I haven't heard otherwise.
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Video of MacDonald Marine's marina docks being ripped out, to make way for the HPS's Marine Unit.
(Spec story has still pics too... misspelled the name though )

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is this a temporary or permanent home for HPS?

I recall they were setting up shop in a temporary location until the full redevelopment is complete.
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I was down by Pier 8 this morning and saw they are doing a lot of work. I am not sure if they are just doing some work on the park, or improving the ability for the land to withstand high tide or what.
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I was down by Pier 8 this morning and saw they are doing a lot of work. I am not sure if they are just doing some work on the park, or improving the ability for the land to withstand high tide or what.
Work on a protective breakwall seems to be the first thing happening.


https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9604455-working-on-the-breakwall/
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I was down by Pier 8 this morning and saw they are doing a lot of work. I am not sure if they are just doing some work on the park, or improving the ability for the land to withstand high tide or what.
Seriously high tide. It's bay on a lake there is no tide.
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Seriously high tide. It's bay on a lake there is no tide.
Yearly tide I mean. The water is getting quite high recently and destroying a lot of waterfront infra. Wouldn't want a new park and millions of dollars in condos to be underwater once every 5 years.
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Yearly tide I mean. The water is getting quite high recently and destroying a lot of waterfront infra. Wouldn't want a new park and millions of dollars in condos to be underwater once every 5 years.
Flooding in spring and early summer is definitely a concern. We seem to be in a longer-term cycle where the levels of the lakes are high... might they get higher in future?

For Pier 8 I don't think that's been much of an issue to date, like it has for trails along Lake Ontario and the west harbour that are closer to water surface level. But if the harbour level is up and there are strong winds from northerly directions (particularly from the NE) there's a greater risk of waves washing into the new recreational area.

The residential/commercial portion looks like it's going to be substantially elevated above the promenade so that should mitigate any issues (unless there's risk of flooding in underground parking). Here's a render of Waterfront Shores that thomax posted in April 2018 which shows that:

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Yay! Great news all round.

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Yearly tide I mean. The water is getting quite high recently and destroying a lot of waterfront infra. Wouldn't want a new park and millions of dollars in condos to be underwater once every 5 years.
anyone interested in this topic should read about the new Plan 15 implemented by the government a few years ago. All the high tide issues around Lake Ontario the last 5 years are 100% man-made. The public warned the government that this would be the result: mass shoreline damage.
They are purposefully keeping dams closed on the St Lawrence to record highs each spring now. They say they're doing this to protect some wetlands way up the St Lawrence.... many people suspect they're also doing it to further their 'climate change' agenda - after all, your average joe will have no clue that these rising tides are man-made and intentional.... the CBC did a bang-up job on their end of the bargain this year with all the fear-mongering pieces about record tides with nary a mention of how it's a result of some dude up the St Lawrence running the dam controls. Cities should be suing the government for all the damage IMO
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City scraps millions from waterfront projects because of a $15M cost overrun

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/waterfront-over-budget-1.5331229

The city is trimming millions from its plan to redevelop Hamilton's waterfront because the project is about $15 million over budget.

Hamilton's west harbour development subcommittee voted Tuesday to scrap a $2,490,00 plan to redevelop Bayview Park, $1.1 million to remediate the Barton-Tiffany area and $3.8 million in work to the shoreline, boardwalk and trail on Macassa Bay.

The first phase of the redevelopment of Piers 5 to 8, which includes shorewall rehabilitation and a new boardwalk, is $11.5 million over budget, a staff report says. Phase three, which is an artisan village, is $3.6 million over budget. That includes the boardwalk, designed by Toronto-based Forrec Ltd., which will cost $9.3 million more than expected.

The subcommittee of city councillors voted to defer some of the planned work until 2022, and scale down or scrap other elements.

"There's $15 million we need to find," said Chad Collins, Ward (Centennial) councillor.

Jason Farr, Ward 2 (downtown) city councillor, wasn't too stressed about the changes. It's a $156-million project, Farr said, so there are bound to be some changes.

"We couldn't expect, I'm sure, over time that we didn't have to massage or manipulative budgets," he said, even though these changes "may seem excessive to some."

There's a lot at stake in the redevelopment plan, which aims to turn Piers 7 and 8 into nine blocks of new condos, and commercial and institutional space, as well as a splashy new boardwalk. Last year, Waterfront Shores Corporation won the bid to build 1,292 condominium units in 20 separate buildings, town houses and other affordable accommodations that will be spread throughout the development. The plan also includes commercial space, themed retail zones for fitness and health and a fresh food market are also all part of the plans.

Toronto-based Forrec Ltd., meanwhile, won a design competition with its "Hammer City" plan for the boardwalk.

Here's a list of what the city will trim or change:

* $2.7 million more in shoreline rehabilitation.
* $9.3 million more for the boardwalk ($4.5 million in 2020 and $4.8 million in 2021).
* $3.6 million for the artisan village.
* Delete $2,490,000 for remediation and redevelopment of Bayview Park.
* Delete $310,000 for public art in Bayview Park.
* Eliminate $6 million in upgrades to Bayfront Park.
* Indefinitely defer $1,330,000 for the Pier 4 park trail.
* Reduce the scope of the shoreline, boardwalk and trail along Macassa Bay by $3,755,000.
* Scrap $1.1 million in Barton-Tiffany remediation.
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I am not a smart man so perhaps someone can explain this to me: Why is the City paying for all this work in the first place? Wouldn't there be great demand in the private sector to redevelop this area? Can't the City put in place a master plan that the developer would have to follow?

I'm confused about the economics of these sorts of developments.
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^ I don't think there is a strong demand from the private sector. It seems risky. BTW anyone know what factory(s) were on Pier 8 before?
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Buffalo is trying to redevelop the waterfront too. The two cities should collaborate on plans. Very similar difficulties. I think Hamilton should find the money to do it right or don't do a half assed job on prime land. Go all in all this or not. Make it postcard worthy, a Hamilton style branded development. Don't cheap out. Use the Gas tax money that they put into road repair instead.
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"Artisan village"... pfffft, keep it organic, IMO
"Bayview Park"... a small park on the fringe, it's surrounded by bush so why not leave it natural?
"Boardwalk"... keep it simple
"Barton-Tiffany"... should be remediated and developed on its own merits
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North End appellants and city settle Hamilton west harbour planning dispute
Agreement allows for more family units in residential blueprint and traffic-calming features

NEWS Nov 22, 2019 by Teviah Moro The Hamilton Spectator

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An early drawing of the city’s future plans for the west harbour. - The City of Hamilton
The city and a group of North End residents have settled a dispute over the plan for a massive redevelopment at the west harbour.

They'd been at odds over the number of family units, parking spaces and traffic the blueprint for Piers 6,7 and 8 would involve.

Herman Turstrka, one of the appellants, said Friday's settlement before the provincial Local Planning Appeal Tribunal (LPAT) bridges the gulf over all three issues.


"The thing that is most important to the group of people that have been working on this is that it should be safe for children to cross the streets going to school in the morning; it should be safe for people to back out of their driveways in the morning when they're going to work."

The west harbour revamp will see roughly 1,600 residential units along with commercial and institutional uses on the city-owned parcels.

Last year, council approved a redevelopment bid from Waterfront Shores to take on the big project. The overall $156-million revisioning of the west harbour will see a host of public attractions, including a new boardwalk, restaurants and stores.

In May 2017, council approved planning changes to set the Pier 8 redevelopment into motion, but Turkstra and the Harbour West Neighbours Inc. challenged this before the LPAT.

Coun. Jason Farr, who represents the area, noted Friday that the resident challenges, however, go back a few years, originally before the now-defunct Ontario Municipal Board.

"Enough is enough. We're good to go," Farr said, explaining the disputes have involved many city staff hours and tax dollars.

The Ward 2 councillor said it's fortunate the two camps were able to settle and didn't have to go through a costlier and longer full-blown hearing.

Turkstra said the appellants wanted to ensure there was an adequate number of family homes in the plan so as to preserve the North End's existing fabric, including schools and safe streets. "Are parents going to want to live here with children?"

In a news release Friday, the city listed a number of "notable revisions" to the plan:

• Fifteen per cent of the Pier 8 units must be "family units," which means two or more bedrooms;

• All parking for Pier 8 must be within the Pier 8 parcels and not off-site;

• Parking for Piers 6 and 7 will be north of Guise Street and Bay Street North; there won't be a parking garage under Bayview Park;

• More traffic-calming measures and other improvements in the existing residential will be implemented;

• The city will consider an amendment to the Setting Sail Secondary Plan to permit a mixed-use or residential mid- to highrise development at an institutional parcel known as Block 16 on the northeast end of Pier 8, as well as a planning analysis and public consultation.

Turkstra said the appeal effort has been a "huge amount of work," but he said the tribunal mediator was "very helpful" in helping the two sides settle.

"Both sides give us stuff that they would prefer to keep."

While the city and residents have settled, a separate appeal launched by industry in the area remains unresolved.

Food processor Parrish and Heimbecker had appealed the subdivision plan over concerns the mixed-use development would limit operations of the grain-handling terminal and a flour mill on Pier 10.

Soybean producer Bunge Canada is also involved in the industrial challenge.

Farr said he's hopeful the gulf can be bridged in that dispute soon. "I'm feeling very good that it's imminent."

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all about parking.
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