Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed - Page 148

vanman · #**2941** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 1:04 AM**

Ffs. What a cop out. I would be shocked if the removal of tolls had any effect on traffic going through the Massey Tunnel. Even if it did have an impact it doesn't change the fact that the current tunnel is seismically unsound and still needs to be replaced.

GlassCity · #**2942** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 1:33 AM**

Yeah, that's nonsense. The tunnel serves an entirely different market than the 3 bridges on the east.

osirisboy · #**2943** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 1:51 AM**

Whatever. I would rather the ndp not touch this project. Knowing them they'd just make it into a six lane bridge with two lanes being bus lanes and 4 general purpose lanes

Sheba · #**2944** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

Whatever. I would rather the ndp not touch this project. Knowing them they'd just make it into a six lane bridge with two lanes being bus lanes and 4 general purpose lanes

That's still better than the 4 lanes that are there now...

Metro-One · #**2945** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 5:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

See how traffic settles before we talk about Massey Tunnel replacement: transportation minister
http://www.news1130.com/2018/03/16/traffic-massey-tunnel-transportation-minister/

ie... settles after removal of Port Mann tolls - but potentially after construction of Patullo (?)

Well, we will have a good idea after this year about the removal of tolls, but in all honesty the Port Mann and Patullo device such different corridors that what happens on them has only a tiny affect of the GMT.

I am guessing they are waiting for after the counter flow on the Alex Fraser? Even then it is only a single counter flown lane (and will reduce the speed limit of the bridge from 90 to 70), so once again, I am guessing minimal impact.

Again, the better choice would have been to scrap the Alex Fraser counter flow (keep it at 6 lanes) and build the GMB project at 8 lanes instead of 10.

But too late for such a good idea now.

osirisboy · #**2946** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 6:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

That's still better than the 4 lanes that are there now...

Lmao yeah because buses really cause a lot of the congestion. And nothing compared to the 10 lane bridge with proper interchanges!!

libtard · #**2947** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 7:01 AM**

Wait until the dust settles... How would a new Patullo bridge with no increased capacity even effect traffic flows at the tunnel? The only project that might alleviate some congestion is the 72nd Interchange and he didn't even mention it.

flipper316 · #**2948** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 7:59 AM**

With that article from news1130 it really is a sad day in Metro Van. LRT done deal and Massey Bridge looks dead. Why is this region desirable again?

Firebrand · #**2949** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 8:05 AM**

My anger grows every time the government, be it the Province, Feds or the Mayors’ Council, fucks something up by half-assing a project or building nothing at all.

s211 · #**2950** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

Why is this region desirable again?

It's looking like easy access to pot, and that's about it. Yay?

makr3trkr · #**2951** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 8:37 PM**

They could fix a lot of the congestion southbound at the tunnel during rush hour with a few common sense lane mangement fixes, for starters, not allowing people to cut across 4 lanes from the outside HOV to the inside counterflow.

libtard · #**2952** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by makr3trkr

They could fix a lot of the congestion southbound at the tunnel during rush hour with a few common sense lane mangement fixes, for starters, not allowing people to cut across 4 lanes from the outside HOV to the inside counterflow.

People are allowed to do that though. It's not their fault the HOV lane is on the outside. HOV lanes should always be on the inside

cganuelas1995 · #**2953** Posted **Mar 17, 2018, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

With that article from news1130 it really is a sad day in Metro Van. LRT done deal and Massey Bridge looks dead. Why is this region desirable again?

Great place to sink your money.

flipper316 · #**2954** Posted **Mar 18, 2018, 5:10 AM**

http://www.delta-optimist.com/news/delta...ge-massey-tunnel-traffic-jams-1.23204327

flipper316 · #**2955** Posted **Mar 18, 2018, 6:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

That's still better than the 4 lanes that are there now...

I hope you're being sarcastic. That's like Surrey with the LRT that its gonna be faster and fancier than a bus. As we know it'll be 1 minute faster.

flipper316 · #**2956** Posted **Mar 18, 2018, 6:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

My anger grows every time the government, be it the Province, Feds or the Mayors’ Council, fucks something up by half-assing a project or building nothing at all.

Wonder if people are regretting NDP now. At least Christy was going forward with the bridge. They should've started construction sooner to the point of no return.

Firebrand · #**2957** Posted **Mar 18, 2018, 6:57 AM**

Remember that the NDP has a habit of building infrastructure specifically to pander for votes. The Millennium Line is a perfect example of this. It was built through NDP ridings in Burnaby. Most of Surrey were—and still are—BC Liberal ridings. The Expo extension to Surrey in 1994 was only in the Surrey-Whalley district, which was NDP.

The Pattullo replacement downgrade is possibly due to its New West riding. New West has been NDP (with the exception of the 37th Parliament) since 1963. It doesn’t want to lose it like it lost Kamloops to the Liberals.

cabotp · #**2958** Posted **Mar 19, 2018, 1:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

Remember that the NDP has a habit of building infrastructure specifically to pander for votes. The Millennium Line is a perfect example of this. It was built through NDP ridings in Burnaby. Most of Surrey were—and still are—BC Liberal ridings. The Expo extension to Surrey in 1994 was only in the Surrey-Whalley district, which was NDP.

The Pattullo replacement downgrade is possibly due to its New West riding. New West has been NDP (with the exception of the 37th Parliament) since 1963. It doesn’t want to lose it like it lost Kamloops to the Liberals.

All political parties pander for votes. That isn't anything special about the NDP. The Liberals are just as bad.

Firebrand · #**2959** Posted **Mar 19, 2018, 2:46 AM**

The Canada Line was built partially for the Liberal’s ridings in Richmond and Marpole. In this case, the Massey Bridge is for Clark’s Delta-South riding; then the NDP cancelled it because politics.

I just hate it when a mega-project *cough* Surrey LRT *cough* is built to pander for votes, and the other being cancelled because it’s in the ridings of the opposing party. No wonder why we have an underbuilt road network.

cabotp · #**2960** Posted **Mar 19, 2018, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

The Canada Line was built partially for the Liberal’s ridings in Richmond and Marpole. In this case, the Massey Bridge is for Clark’s Delta-South riding; then the NDP cancelled it because politics.

I just hate it when a mega-project *cough* Surrey LRT *cough* is built to pander for votes, and the other being cancelled because it’s in the ridings of the opposing party. No wonder why we have an underbuilt road network.

I hate it as well. It just isn't something unique to only one political party.