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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 9:59 PM
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lol, the city should consider canceling all of it's community plans if it wants to ever get reelected. Most are out of proportion with reality and only continue to propagate crazy property value increases across the board.
So building nothing is a better plan?!
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lol, the city should consider canceling all of it's community plans if it wants to ever get reelected. Most are out of proportion with reality and only continue to propagate crazy property value increases across the board.
People who want to live in a village have lots of options all over Canada. I prefer Vancouver as a city, with density and height. If you ask me, all land within 10km of downtown should be rezoned CD-1 and let the market, not bureaucrats dictate what gets built.
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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 10:09 PM
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So building nothing is a better plan?!
It's unfortunately too inflexible, benefits the developers and caters to SFH land usage. The plans need to be reworked. I'm not saying crazy density increases across the board are what's needed but the plans that were put is place by Vision are programmed poorly and too rigid.
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lol, the city should consider canceling all of it's community plans if it wants to ever get reelected. Most are out of proportion with reality and only continue to propagate crazy property value increases across the board.
I can understand some developments being out of character, but wouldn't the increase in property values happen anyways without new development? Wouldn't the pressure be even worse without an increased supply of housing?

The only alternative I see that keeps property values low is for that area to be absolute sh*thole, but that's not a solution. I do think there should be better more clearly stated ways of leveraging incoming development so that there is housing for seniors, etc.
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Old Posted May 25, 2017, 2:37 AM
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Looks like the city is considering cancelling the Chinatown South rezoning policy: http://urbanyvr.com/cancel-chinatown-rezoning-policy

But the hearing isn't until this summer, and wouldn't apply to "in-stream" rezoning applications like 105 Keefer or the Brickhouse.
Oh yeah, the change in Chinatown is just too much to bear. New restaurants and bars and other businesses opening... It use to be desolate and scary, and that's how we liked it damn it!

These community plans take years to complete. And for what? The City just folds like a cheap tent. A criminal waste of tax payer money that pays these chicken shits.
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Old Posted May 25, 2017, 6:00 AM
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I'm far from a Vision fan, but the Chinatown rezoning plan is one they did right and is a good plan. The last thing they should consider is nixing it and implementing something as terrible as their dtes plan.
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Old Posted May 25, 2017, 6:07 PM
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It's unfortunately too inflexible, benefits the developers and caters to SFH land usage. The plans need to be reworked. I'm not saying crazy density increases across the board are what's needed but the plans that were put is place by Vision are programmed poorly and too rigid.
How can it benefit the developers and also cater to SFH land usage at the same time?

Developers are chomping at the bit to provide more housing for the metro, leaving huge swaths of the city underzoned and under-densified does not help the development community. Nor does waffling on community plans and taking years to approve developments.
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People who want to live in a village have lots of options all over Canada. I prefer Vancouver as a city, with density and height. If you ask me, all land within 10km of downtown should be rezoned CD-1 and let the market, not bureaucrats dictate what gets built.
You get my vote right there!
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People who want to live in a village have lots of options all over Canada. I prefer Vancouver as a city, with density and height. If you ask me, all land within 10km of downtown should be rezoned CD-1 and let the market, not bureaucrats dictate what gets built.
Agree

But I think that there should be various neighbourhoods that are protected for Historical value like Gastown, Strathcona, Grandview Woodlands, Mount Pleasant, Shaughnessy and so on.

Places like the industrial wasteland sound of Olympic Village and around Hastings and Clark HAVE GOT TO GO. South Vancouver has terrible architecture and should be rezoned for 5-12 storey buildings already
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Agree

But I think that there should be various neighbourhoods that are protected for Historical value like Gastown, Strathcona, Grandview Woodlands, Mount Pleasant, Shaughnessy and so on.
I agree, the character of historical areas should be protected and buildings of significance should be protected when feasible.

That said, the site people are complaining about is currently a parking lot
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Old Posted May 26, 2017, 2:54 AM
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People who want to live in a village have lots of options all over Canada. I prefer Vancouver as a city, with density and height. If you ask me, all land within 10km of downtown should be rezoned CD-1 and let the market, not bureaucrats dictate what gets built.
10km radius of downtown Vancouver just about covers the entire City of Vancouver.

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Agree

But I think that there should be various neighbourhoods that are protected for Historical value like Gastown, Strathcona, Grandview Woodlands, Mount Pleasant, Shaughnessy and so on.

Places like the industrial wasteland sound of Olympic Village and around Hastings and Clark HAVE GOT TO GO. South Vancouver has terrible architecture and should be rezoned for 5-12 storey buildings already
Gastown has as much historical value as the Vancouver specials in South Vancouver.

If the entirety of South Vancouver was 5-12 storey buildings we'd be looking at a metro the size of Osaka. Not in our lifetimes will this happen.

Vancouver is a port city, it's preposterous to say that commercial and light industry around Clark and Mount Pleasant should disappear. I suppose Vancouver's economy should be entirely comprised of magical tech unicorns and real estate speculation.

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I'm far from a Vision fan, but the Chinatown rezoning plan is one they did right and is a good plan. The last thing they should consider is nixing it and implementing something as terrible as their dtes plan.
Fully agreed.
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Most idiotic comment on here:

"Gastown has as much historical value as the Vancouver specials in South Vancouver. "
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Chinatown Policy

Honestly, I find these developments regarding the Chinatown policy deeply troubling. I hate that it feels like the city is giving into Trumpian bully-tactics, rather than responding to a real democratic process.
I'm not sure where housing/office space can go in Vancouver if we limit the growth of Downtown with a border that consists of, essentially, a failed neighbourhood. For what it's worth, I plan on writing council about it.
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Old Posted May 26, 2017, 8:46 PM
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Impressions of the 105 Keefer Public Hearing

I attended the Public Hearing for the 105 Keefer rezoning last night, and the atmosphere is really something else. I'm not sure how well people have been keeping up with the security measures implemented, but I'll post some of them here:

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· The lower seating area of the Council Chamber will be reserved for registered speakers and staff only.

· All speakers are required to check in at the ground floor Information Kiosk where they will be given a number indicating speaking order.

· Overflow speakers will be seated in the Chamber balcony, the unreserved area of the third floor lobby, and in the Media Centre on the main floor.
Once you get up to the anti chamber, it's filled with the usual suspects when it comes to the anti-growth of the neighbourhood. There were mostly young kids filling the room, sitting in pajama pants, and the having fully drunk the cool-aid. They scream applause to any view they approve of, and boo and hiss those who speak in favor of the project as they are leaving. The followers in the anti chamber scream the chants of their speaking leaders, all in an effort to intimidate not only council, but those who might show up to speak in favor.

I watched as security would ebb and flow into the room, and as one person with me stated, the atmosphere was reminiscent of the energy before a riot. I feel the city needs to a better job when it comes to controlling this, as there plenty of speakers from previous days still coming up to the room to engage in their bully tactics. There was an older woman (speaker 18), who was against the project. She was still in attendance at the next meeting, cheering and booing when prompted all the while knitting yarn... Demonstrating perhaps how disconnected these people are to the world of today, the crisis of the neighbourhood, and the housing shortage of the city.

So far, I would honestly say it feels like the older residents, the business owners, and people with current connections to Chintatown are in favor of the project.
Most of the opposition comes from people who no longer live in the area, twenty-year-olds that remember what it was like walking with their grandparents. They seem unrealistic, believing that only projects that 100% shelter rate housing should proceed, and of course there's the typical Nimbys.
In short, those against are generally those who are either holding onto a memory, rather than the real neighbourhood, or those that come off as delusional.

What is most unbelievable is that 92 people have spoken so far, and 193 speakers remain!!
I wouldn't blame council / city staff if they all took a month of vacation after this; frankly, I'm disgusted by the nonsensical backlash.
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Old Posted May 27, 2017, 6:28 AM
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Once you get up to the anti chamber, it's filled with the usual suspects when it comes to the anti-growth of the neighbourhood. There were mostly young kids filling the room, sitting in pajama pants, and the having fully drunk the cool-aid.
Insulting and untrue. And it's "Kool-Aid" not "Cool-Aid."

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Old Posted May 27, 2017, 6:44 AM
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Wow someone is paranoid
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Old Posted May 27, 2017, 8:08 AM
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Insulting and untrue. And it's "Kool-Aid" not "Cool-Aid."
Apologies if I came off as insulting; last night was a late night. Perhaps the best evidence of this is the "Kool-Aid" spelling mistake.

By "young kids" I mean those in their early 20s, I'm getting old I suppose. Frankly, when I was at the meeting, there were more than a fair number of people in p.j.s. If they find it more comfortable to be dressed that way, who am I to say boo.
With the Kool-Aid comment, I simply meant that, to me, there seems to be a lot of people speaking who are parroting positions without backing it up with evidence, other than citing the original speaker. Which I'll grant is not that uncommon in all avenues of life. Though another, more clear cut, example would be the written submissions. Frankly, there's many that feel like they were written from a template.
That said, It goes without saying that there are still professional and educated opinions on both sides.

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Wow someone is paranoid
As stated previously, the riot observation was not my own. In hindsight, I think it was a bit of hyperbole. Regardless, emotion is clearly running, the speakers list shows that. Plus there is a great deal of disrespect being shown, admittedly by all sides, though one does hear more booing, hissing, etc from those who are opposed to the project.
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^feather friend, my comment wasn't in response to you it was to edinvan, who edited And deleted his comment, after I had posted my paranoid comment
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City Council, after four days of public hearing, just rejected 105 Keefer Street rezoning. (More here, if you can't remember all the versions of that project).

There are already indications that Beedie will submit an application under the zoning that allows buildings up to 90'. They won't face a public hearing, and won't need to include any non-market housing (although as the rejected project had BC Housing buying 25 units at cost, it might be wise to retain that aspect of the new proposal).
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This city really gives the impression it would dearly love to ossify. Our snowflake culture certainly doesn't help.
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