Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by elly63

Easily? It cost over 500 million to do what they did.

I said easily, not cheaply $500 million yes. but let's not forget most of that money went into the roof. I'm pretty sure less than $100 million went into actually sprucing the place up. I highley doubt removing some concrete pre casts to expose the concourse and building somthing simular to west jet flight deck in rogers centre. all I'm saying is when they had the cranes and the seats/roof off this probably wasn't the huge job it would be today

Originally Posted by king10

What?

?? You cant see the overall simularities between BC place and this or what? pretty much the same design iether then less seats because the endzones are open which is exactly what i'm referring too

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I said easily, not cheaply $500 million yes. but let's not forget most of that money went into the roof. I'm pretty sure less than $100 million went into actually sprucing the place up.



?? You cant see the overall simularities between BC place and this or what? pretty much the same design iether then less seats because the endzones are open which is exactly what i'm referring too

A lot of the cost went to seismic upgrades as well. I'm not a structural engineer, but it's possible that the precast is part of the structural support of the building, so removing some could require a lot of engineering work to ensure the roof/outside walls are still supported and seismically sound.

I could see it being both a complicated and expensive endeavour.

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I could be wrong, but didn't the old Maple Leaf Gardens have this exact issue (on a much smaller scale) when they first started exploring changes?

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by Nathan

A lot of the cost went to seismic upgrades as well. I'm not a structural engineer, but it's possible that the precast is part of the structural support of the building, so removing some could require a lot of engineering work to ensure the roof/outside walls are still supported and seismically sound.

I could see it being both a complicated and expensive endeavour.

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I could be wrong, but didn't the old Maple Leaf Gardens have this exact issue (on a much smaller scale) when they first started exploring changes?

I'm not arguing that. Precast may have some overall structural integrity towards the structure but from what I see they are just concrete sections laid on top of structural supports. Ive followed the last 3-4 stadiums build/renos quite closely and from what I see they are generally the last pieces of the puzzle before the roof/ceilings. I can't see the removal of them effecting the integrity of the outer walls. (again i'm not a structural engineer either)

I could see it being both a complicated and expensive endeavour.

Absolutely now yes. But mid Renovation it may not have been so bad.

[king10]

ya im going to have to go with no

[cjones2451]

Any pics of BMO Field in full Grey Cup mode?

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

Any pics of BMO Field in full Grey Cup mode?

I found these

[FrankieFlowerpot]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNNUzzyjkZ8/?taken-at=47881

[Franco401]

Are those temporary seats under the canopies?

[elly63]

Are those painted ads on the field?

[HomerSPC]

Originally Posted by elly63

Are those painted ads on the field?

I can hear TFC fans whining from here.

[ggopher]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/201...ter-wrong-lines-painted-on-pitch?0p19G=c

That is a bit embarrassing. In the MLS playoff game of Montreal vs Toronto they painted the lines for the penalty box too narrow.

And after the snow bowl in Ottawa last week. Now you can see why New Mosaic Stadium in Regina opted to use field lines that are stitched into the field.

[esquire]

^ How on earth did they get the field dimensions wrong in Montreal? It's not like they've never hosted a soccer game at the Big O before.

[J.OT13]

One step closer to a new Downtown Arena in Ottawa.

Originally Posted by TheGoods

Rendez-Vous Group received the go ahead for formal negotiations.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...oup-on-lebreton-flats-project-move-ahead

Reminder of what is proposed.





http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/planning/master-plans/lebreton-flats/rendezvous-lebreton-group

One NCC board member spoke to what has been done in Edmonton's Ice District and how it has revitalized the downtown core and how the proposed project here in Ottawa could have the same positive affect in our city.

[Oilkountry]

I hope ottawa gets this done. At the same time Calgary should very close, Assuming CalgaryNext goes through. That would put every NHL arena in Canada Downtown.

[Dr Awesomesauce]

Sorry for being a d*** but wake me in 25 years when they're ready to put a shovel in the ground.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

Sorry for being a d*** but wake me in 25 years when they're ready to put a shovel in the ground.

Ottawa, Calgary, or both?

[wave46]

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

Sorry for being a d*** but wake me in 25 years when they're ready to put a shovel in the ground.

Why do you think they're starting the process now?

So, when it does get done in 15 years (my guess) after all the haggling with the National Capital Commission, City of Ottawa and citizens, they'll have a new arena just as the old one is at the end of its lifespan.

[SteelTown]

Dreschel: FirstOntario Centre reno options laid out in new report
‘Massive’ study is in, but we won't get a peek for some weeks

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/698...tre-reno-options-laid-out-in-new-report/
Hamilton Spectator
By Andrew Dreschel

A $240,000 private sector report on options for updating the aging city-owned FirstOntario Centre has finally landed at Hamilton City Hall.

Urban renewal manager Glen Norton says the "massive" study is being analyzed by staff in preparation for presentation to councillors early in the new year.

"There's a lot to look at and a lot to think about," said Norton. "It's a very detailed and comprehensive look at the condition of FirstOntario Centre and what it needs."

The study includes costed options for a major upgrade and partial and full renovations of the 30-year-old downtown arena, formerly known as Copps Coliseum.

The partial renovation involves turning the lower bowl into a state-of-the-art 8,000 or so seat facility with extensive remodelling of some hospitality and operational facilities.

The full renovation would see the entire 17,000-seat building uplifted to 21{+s}t-century NHL and other pro sports standards.

The report and construction costs remain confidential. But it's anticipated a full transformation would cost under $300 million while a partial renovation would be under $100 million.

The study is also expected to explore the possibility of the development of an entertainment precinct in and around a rejuvenated arena, which could include updated or new convention and hospitality facilities.

It's also believed to include information about the potential location of a lacrosse franchise in Hamilton.

The report was prepared by Toronto-based Brisbin Brook Beynon Architects (BBB), internationally known experts in sports-related venues whose clients include the NHL and NBA.

BBB designed, among other facilities, the Air Canada Centre in Toronto and led renovations at Madison Square Garden in New York and Calgary's Scotiabank Saddledome.

The origin of the study is unusual to say the least.

It was commissioned last year by city manager Chris Murray after he was approached by local lawyer and development consultant Jasper Kujavsky with an unsolicited offer he couldn't refuse.

In return for a $50,000 fee, Kujavsky undertook to drum up $240,000 in private sector funding to pay for the BBB study.

Billionaire Ron Joyce, the Carmen's Group, FirstOntario Credit Union, LIUNA and Fengate Capital all contributed money to the study.

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[esquire]

^ Seems to me that Hamilton should go whole hog on renovating the lower bowl, and just leave the upper deck more or less as is as a bit of an overflow seating area for big events. The reality is that the current and future tenants won't be relying on the upper deck, and if a tenant is ever secured that needs a full upper deck (basically the NHL), it will probably lead to a new rink anyway.

[SteelTown]

^ the scale of how much renovation will likely all depend on how much the private sector will contribute.

Got some pretty wealthy contributors towards the cost of the report so maybe Ron Joyce will cough a few millions. Maybe Jim Balsillie will feel obligated to contribute since he failed in getting an NHL team.