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Old Posted Jul 22, 2016, 4:44 PM
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2016, 4:47 PM
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Great pic, lots of greenery and nice growing density in downtown.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2016, 4:59 PM
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Nothing wrong with Canadian Corps for sponsors, it is the type I am drawing attention to. End of the day CFL does not care who cuts a cheque, but if they want to lure younger fans they should establish partnerships with Canadian Corps/Brands that are tuned into those demographics.

Having a partnership with Goodlife Fitness for example would be great. Get some type of branding plan going where you can have exposure to their gyms full of younger folks all over the country.
Speaking of the devil... tonight is the Goodlife Fan Fest in Regina.

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Old Posted Jul 22, 2016, 11:59 PM
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Nice pic of new Mosaic. Keep them coming.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2016, 3:41 PM
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Considering the difference in fortunes of both clubs this week, the future is looking more promising for Calgary at the moment. Running a professional club in Edmonton and Alberta is a financial hole and the owners are running the club at a loss. Unless they can start to sell-out their ground, which may be easier now that the team is starting to do well on the pitch, the owners will have to eventually pull the plug.

In contrast, Foothills is taking the slow and steady approach. They are a self-sustaining club that develop their own players and field teams in the leagues that match the level of their academy products. In just their second season the PDL, Foothills FC have won their division and divisional playoff. A lot of the faces in the team picture for this year's squad were also in the U16 team photo four years back.

While Foothills are developing the cores of their first/senior team, they are also developing their fanbase. Foothills can break even at 1,000. Generating private and public funds to turn one of the local stadiums into a footy specific ground with a capacity of 1,000, or even 3,000, is much easier than selling out the 10,000 seats at Clarke Stadium which FC Edmonton needs to do before the City will pay for upgrades.

Nevertheless, I want FC Edmonton to survive and be successful. I just think they took a difficult path that is littered with the corpses of former Alberta-based professional teams (e.g. Aviators, Drillers, Mustangs and Storm).
1,000 is a solid number for a PDL franchise at this stage and would be strong enough for them to consider joining to USL depending on how they feel about squad strength. I agree with you that I prefer their method of growth as the more natural, organic growth as compared to other clubs such as Edmonton or Ottawa. Foothills are certainly creating a very strong base from which to work on and develop.

My biggest concern with a future Canadian Premier League is the involvement of the CFL. I'd hate to see clubs be created and have to use the CFL (and their stadiums) as crutches for survival. OTOH, i'd hate to see teams with strong developmental programs like Foothills be brought into a structure run by a league from a different sport with perhaps a different view of how to operate things and direct growth. It's a bit concerning, at least from this outset. More concerning is that there's been very little press or word about this league since it was first mentioned.

There's a lot of potential in this country for strong, stable football franchises to draw in the 5,000-10,000 range, and to develop their own players at their own rate. Problems would arise if another league steps in and suddenly decides to rush those plans or force something on them that they're quite frankly not ready for. This range would be absolutely perfect for cities like Victoria, KWC, and St. John's amongst others if that desire was so there.

Right now, all of the major teams in this country (save for Edmonton) are seeing growth in their base and exposure and attendance on the whole, along with the minor teams like Calgary. There's been progress and that's great to see and now it's just a matter of supporting and organizing that a bit more.
     
     
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Rogers Place - digital screen starting to go up on "Ford Hall" (formerly the better-naqmed Winter Garden), and framework for cladding underneath on 104 Ave. in place:



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Roger's Place will easily be the nicest arena in Canada if not North America when its completed. It looks fantastic. Well done Edmonton!
     
     
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This does not get done because in typical Canadian spirit we are just too cheap. The image of looking bush league does not factor in to many Canadian operations. Hence the crappy looking websites, and other stuff like this.
Another of your clueless statements that you seem to repeat often for some reason.
     
     
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Regarding a Canadian Premier League, I just don't see it working all that well as long as MLS is in the 3 biggest cities in Canada. More Canadian MLS teams would be the best thing for soccer in Canada.

With only 9 CFL dates for cities like Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary to support, there is a lot of room for MLS in those cities. Unlike most US cities where MLS is up against up to 4 other pro teams.

Like the NHL, Canadian franchises could provide a strong foundation for MLS.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2016, 12:47 AM
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Regarding a Canadian Premier League, I just don't see it working all that well as long as MLS is in the 3 biggest cities in Canada. More Canadian MLS teams would be the best thing for soccer in Canada.

With only 9 CFL dates for cities like Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary to support, there is a lot of room for MLS in those cities. Unlike most US cities where MLS is up against up to 4 other pro teams.

Like the NHL, Canadian franchises could provide a strong foundation for MLS.
This will never happen without relegation/promotion in the US system (which is gaining steam in the lower levels) because the MLS has already committed to expansion in Atlanta, Miami, LA, and Minnesota as well as potential suitors in Sacramento, Cincinnati, San Antonio, San Diego, and Nashville among others.

The best thing for the existing Canadian clubs (Calgary Foothills, WSA Winnipeg, Victoria, Thunder Bay, KWC, London) to do would be to strengthen their footholds and try to climb up the US/Canadian ladder via NASL/USL. Like you, I can't imagine a CPL manages to make much of an impact without the MLS clubs, and a CPL with TFCII/Whitecaps II would be a joke if anything else. It's possible for them to try to add teams in those cities, which would provide competition for the MLS clubs, but they would be of lower quality for quite some time and would potentially only meet those MLS clubs in Canadian Championships.
     
     
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Was having beers this weekend with a fellow Stamps season ticket holder and we pretty much agreed on the obvious: that Calgary Next is not going to happen and we will get Plan B which might not be bad for the arena portion but only renovations for McMahon.

As much as we both hated the idea of renos (lipstick on a pig), the more we drank, the more ideas we came up with on what they could maybe do with it. A few more jugs and our napkin sketches would have ended up looking like Cowboys Stadium.

So last night in my hungover state, I came up with these hacked up designs. I'm not even sure they are feasible since I'm the furthest thing form a structural engineer. The main idea was to try and open the concourse level to the field, sort of like the smaller side of Tim Horton Field in Hamilton. The other idea was to try and make some kind of "sky suites" for the corners which never sell out. If they did something like this, I might even get on board with renos.





     
     
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2016, 10:32 PM
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Regarding a Canadian Premier League, I just don't see it working all that well as long as MLS is in the 3 biggest cities in Canada. More Canadian MLS teams would be the best thing for soccer in Canada.

With only 9 CFL dates for cities like Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary to support, there is a lot of room for MLS in those cities. Unlike most US cities where MLS is up against up to 4 other pro teams.

Like the NHL, Canadian franchises could provide a strong foundation for MLS.
You're dreaming if you think there will be more MLS teams in Canada anytime soon if ever. Even Ottawa, with their solid support in NASL would be an extreme longshot. There are probably a dozen or more viable and stronger markets in the US than anywhere left in Canada.

That doesn't even factor in the lack of any true 20,000 seat soccer stadiums in any of these Canadian cities. Calgary is struggling to find a replacement for McMahon and the Saddledome. Where are they going to find the money for a $100 million soccer stadium? Ottawa's stadium is not a soccer-specific stadium and neither is Hamilton's no matter how much they say it is - soccer-specific stadiums do not have 20 yards between the back of the goals and the goal line. The same thing applies to Commonwealth with the additional problem of a huge capacity providing zero atmosphere even if they drew healthy crowds of 15,000.

The best bet would be to allow the sport to grow organically with more Canadian teams in the NASL or a Canadian league (longshot). If cities like Calgary, Victoria, Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg, Hamilton and Halifax could start play within the next few years in an existing or new league playing in new 5,000 seats stadiums I think that would provide a great base for further growth for soccer in this country. I hope it happens as it would provide many Canadian cities with another viewing option in the summer.
     
     
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Was having beers this weekend with a fellow Stamps season ticket holder and we pretty much agreed on the obvious: that Calgary Next is not going to happen and we will get Plan B which might not be bad for the arena portion but only renovations for McMahon.

As much as we both hated the idea of renos (lipstick on a pig), the more we drank, the more ideas we came up with on what they could maybe do with it. A few more jugs and our napkin sketches would have ended up looking like Cowboys Stadium.

So last night in my hungover state, I came up with these hacked up designs. I'm not even sure they are feasible since I'm the furthest thing form a structural engineer. The main idea was to try and open the concourse level to the field, sort of like the smaller side of Tim Horton Field in Hamilton. The other idea was to try and make some kind of "sky suites" for the corners which never sell out. If they did something like this, I might even get on board with renos.





Ok thats not bad at all.

Just put all new seats, which would lower the capacity a bit but I think thats a good thing, a full stadium is better than one 3/4 full with more seats.
     
     
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Ok thats not bad at all.

Just put all new seats, which would lower the capacity a bit but I think thats a good thing, a full stadium is better than one 3/4 full with more seats.
You could make up the difference in the endzones. I like this idea though tom. Even if they didnt open the endzones. Lots of NFL and university stadiums do well with one grand stand.
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Argos had a decent crowd in bmo tonight for a monday
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Regina stadium

Recent shot of Regina's new stadium captured yesterday on the CTV SKYCAM. Note massive scoreboard under construction in south endzone.

     
     
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Argos had a decent crowd in bmo tonight for a monday
16,000. I guess that's decent when compared to 12,000.
     
     
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16,000. I guess that's decent when compared to 12,000.
The haterz will hate and try to belittle the franchise to further there own greasy agendas but the fact is, it is going to be a longer road back than many of us hoped.

Aside from the non stop hater attacks trying to deflect the good news, the fact is the league this year is doing well so far. Toronto attendance is going to be a long term project to get to where it should be with a poor schedule this year that should be better next year. No need for excuses, though, it is what it is, the team and the league aren't going anywhere (to the chagrin of some) so let's just let them get on with it without the agenda based criticism that doesn't help one iota.

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14K was actual gate last night for Argos last night.

16K was sold but also some other funny business happened...

The Argos are playing the optics game long term. They don't want sentiment to stay on like things are how they "used to be". If you were at the game last night you noticed covers on some of the seats. This was an attempt to make the stadium look more "full" by covering patches of the very empty sections to hide the red.

14K has been the average this season and it will bounce in between 14-16K once the dust settles.

At least with BMO Field now nobody can no longer blame Skydome for the woes of the Argos. People can be honest that the fanbase needs to be embraced more and more work needs to be done to grow it. We are past the excuses now so it can only get better going forward.
     
     
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I guess there was some expectation that the Argos' attendance would bounce up to over 20,000 per game almost immediately, since it's what happened in both Ottawa and Hamilton.

I'll have to look back and see what happened with the Alouettes, both when they returned to the league and then when they moved to McGill.
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OK so here is what happened with the Alouettes.

1996 - return to the league. Playing at the Big O. Average about 20-25k per game for a pretty good team (former Baltimore Stallions).

1997 - still a good team, still playing at the Big O. Attendance dropped to about 10K per game so I guess the novelty wore off. Playoff game gets bumped by U2 concert and they play at McGill. 16K attend but everyone likes the atmosphère.

1998 - first full season at McGill. Good team but average about 15k

1999 - average at McGill picks up to around 20k and has stayed around there ever since.
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