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Old Posted Oct 20, 2015, 9:37 PM
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^^ At bKL's open house over the weekend, I noticed a chart on someone's desk with floor heights for the top five floors. 12'-somethin for 97 and over 13' for the 98th floor.
I'm not as informed as I should be, but how does the Studio Gang/bKL relationship work? I guess I could have asked someone while I was there, but I was too busy wishing I could build and photography all those models.
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I'm not as informed as I should be, but how does the Studio Gang/bKL relationship work? I guess I could have asked someone while I was there, but I was too busy wishing I could build and photography all those models.
Really???
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I hope that isn't true b/c that's pathetic for a penthouse in a building of this magnitude.

sounds somewhat similar to the top couple floors of Aqua, maybe....

The is the Magellan VE machine.........Magellan also has a longstanding fear of floor-to-floor heights..........
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I'm not as informed as I should be, but how does the Studio Gang/bKL relationship work? I guess I could have asked someone while I was there, but I was too busy wishing I could build and photography all those models.


Well, Studio Gang is the design architect and bKL is the architect-of-record.....if that's what you're asking......
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Well, Studio Gang is the design architect and bKL is the architect-of-record.....if that's what you're asking......
That's correct. One of the architects told me that Gang designed the building, ie; the shell, and it's bKL's responsibility to take it from there, engineering the structure itself.
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Well, Studio Gang is the design architect and bKL is the architect-of-record.....if that's what you're asking......
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That's correct. One of the architects told me that Gang designed the building, ie; the shell, and it's bKL's responsibility to take it from there, engineering the structure itself.
I guess that's what I'm asking. I'm just not very familiar with the interworking of architecture firm partnerships. Skyguy's explanation makes perfect sense. I think I was under the impression both Gang and bKL were 'design' focused and they send out their designs to more engineering focused firms.
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^ That does happen, for instance, where Thornton Tomassetti or Gensler might come in to play. In fact, I doubt bKL has the means to calculate the foundation or other structural requirements.
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^ That does happen, for instance, where Thornton Tomassetti or Gensler might come in to play. In fact, I doubt bKL has the means to calculate the foundation or other structural requirements.
Ha, see this was my original thought. So if Gang dreams/draws up the initial design, and the engineering firms figure out the math to make it a reality - I'm just curious when/how bKL comes into the picture. I'm sure they work well together seeing as though bKL is in Gang's building and in an office next to Magellan.
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Ha, see this was my original thought. So if Gang dreams/draws up the initial design, and the engineering firms figure out the math to make it a reality - I'm just curious when/how bKL comes into the picture. I'm sure they work well together seeing as though bKL is in Gang's building and in an office next to Magellan.
Ok…I'll take a stab at this:

The tasks performed by architects and/or other members of a design team multiple and varied. Most simply a design team is composed of Architects and Engineers. Just as the Engineering team is broken up into structural engineers/mechanical engineers/civil engineers (and so on), the architectural team can similarly be broken up into parts. Sometimes on a project you will hear them referred to as Design Architects and Technical Architects or sometimes Design Architect and Architect of Record. The “of Record” part is mostly tied to who is actually on the permitting documents and dealing with all that hell.

Design Architects, obviously, focus more on design elements for a new project. This is probably the classic perception of what an architect does.

But on a Design Team, the Architects are basically the team leaders. They do most of the interfacing with the client/owner. They compile/coordinate/review all other disciplines drawings with the architecture and each other. They deal with permitting the building architecturally and help to pull together the engineering needs for permits as well. They have a large roll in construction, interfacing with the contractor, reviewing submittals and coordinating submittal reviews that the engineers have to do...etc. There is alot more, but you get the idea.

So basically the design work is done by the Design Studio, but alot of the managing and coordination work is done by a different team architecturally. This can be done in the same firm, if its big enough, but in the case of a Star-chitect usually their firm is not large enough to have all the people and expertise to take a project from Design Development all the way to opening day. My guess is that, since bKL has done alot of work in this area and with Magellean, they will be doing the project management/permitting/coordination on the project supported by Gangs team for vision and design.

The RAMSA building in streeterville is like this with GREC as AOR. The Modern Wing was like this with Renzo Piano working with Interactive...etc.
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I've gotten confirmation that this will still be Chicago's 3rd Tallest Tower upon completion.
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^which quarter starting?

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^^ Thank you for that detailed response, Swicago! I appreciate it. Helps clear up a lot.
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Wanda Vista isn't that great of a project IMO, but given Chicago hasn't received much attention lately I will welcome it. Hopefully it won't get canceled like every other project has been since 2009...
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Wanda Vista isn't that great of a project IMO, but given Chicago hasn't received much attention lately I will welcome it. Hopefully it won't get canceled like every other project has been since 2009...
Not that the Great Recession had anything to do with it right?
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Wanda Vista isn't that great of a project IMO, but given Chicago hasn't received much attention lately I will welcome it. Hopefully it won't get canceled like every other project has been since 2009...
Thank god your opinion doesn't matter IMO.
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Ha, see this was my original thought. So if Gang dreams/draws up the initial design, and the engineering firms figure out the math to make it a reality - I'm just curious when/how bKL comes into the picture. I'm sure they work well together seeing as though bKL is in Gang's building and in an office next to Magellan.
There is most likely a as-of-yet uncredited engineering firm consultant that is involved, as I don't believe that bKL does their own engineering.

Compounding on what Swicago said, there are three possible scenarios that usually occur when two architects are involved.
1. As in the case of 451 Grand, if an architect like RAMSA isn't licensed to work in Chicago, they have to work through an architect of record, regardless of whether they have the capability of completing the entire project by themselves. The AOR will stamp the drawings, and the permit will be in their name. Often the design firm will design the building to a certain level, then the AOR will create the construction documents and carry out construction.
2. This same circumstance sometimes occurs even when both firms are local and licensed in the state. One firm, which may not have have the workforce or the experience to completely carry out a building, does the design work while the other does the technical detailing and the coordination with the general contractor.
3. A second design firm is brought in when the main designer does not expertise in one element of the building. For instance, as a corporate firm and hospitality, when our firm does a mixed use building with residential, we pair with another architect to do the apartment layouts.
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There is most likely a as-of-yet uncredited engineering firm consultant that is involved, as I don't believe that bKL does their own engineering.

Compounding on what Swicago said, there are three possible scenarios that usually occur when two architects are involved.
1. As in the case of 451 Grand, if an architect like RAMSA isn't licensed to work in Chicago, they have to work through an architect of record, regardless of whether they have the capability of completing the entire project by themselves. The AOR will stamp the drawings, and the permit will be in their name. Often the design firm will design the building to a certain level, then the AOR will create the construction documents and carry out construction.
2. This same circumstance sometimes occurs even when both firms are local and licensed in the state. One firm, which may not have have the workforce or the experience to completely carry out a building, does the design work while the other does the technical detailing and the coordination with the general contractor.
3. A second design firm is brought in when the main designer does not expertise in one element of the building. For instance, as a corporate firm and hospitality, when our firm does a mixed use building with residential, we pair with another architect to do the apartment layouts.
You left out another scenario, that even if the design studio is licensed to operate in the location of the project and experienced with CD/CA work, often times the client is unwilling to pay for that studio to do such work, and will instead hire another local firm with much lower fees to handle the project after DD, keeping the design studio on board solely for 'design supervision'
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Damn, where'd you find that.
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Damn, where'd you find that.
The render is on a screen in the sales center within Coast. The shades were up and my camera came out.

The model is right there too.
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