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Old Posted Nov 25, 2009, 1:15 AM
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I noticed there is now a website under construction for the Nova Centre here. Nothing new, but it might be something to keep an eye on.
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I noticed there is now a website under construction for the Nova Centre here. Nothing new, but it might be something to keep an eye on.
actually thats been like that for sometime.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2009, 2:26 AM
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I have to admit that I was pretty keen on this development when it was first announced, but now I feel differently. I used to think that Halifax was lucky to see any interest in development at all, but after seeing the new proposal renderings for the Roy Building and the recent conceptual drawings for Fenwick, I feel like we should be asking for higher standards from our esteemed architects. (I think) The Fenwick design seems really well thought out and ultimately quite attractive. The Nova Centre design, while still having some very interesting qualities, seems dated and isolated. It appears to be too closed off from prince street and, as always, I just plain hate precast "limestone" (or whatever they appear to be using).
I don't mean to be too critical of architects, and I have a great deal of respect for the individuals who work so hard to design buildings. Working in the design industry myself, I know it can be difficult to work within the restraints of a clients requirements, and I'm sure that designing a building in Halifax that won't get you tarred and feathered by special interest groups or city council is a chore within itself.
Blah blah blah. Anyway, Nova Centre; could it be better?
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2009, 5:16 AM
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It could, however I don't mind how it will interact with the area or spacially. My whole life that part of the street has been the dead zone. I can't even imagine what it will be like with a hotel (likely with a bar) as well as hosting conferences and conventions. I think a paradigm shift could happen in downtown Halifax and Trillium and other residential developments combined with office growth could see this happen. Having a trade centre is vital to investment attraction which drives every muncipality/region that has one.

Depending on how well they do the cladding on the lower levels it could be a disaster. I'm remaining optimistic.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2009, 4:11 PM
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I think it really all comes down to materials. If high end timeless materials are used then this will be a great addition. If they cheap out, then it will be crap. Sure it could be different, but I think it is good.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2009, 8:56 PM
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The other reality here is that this building probably won't be started for a while. It seems like there's plenty of time for a mostly superficial redesign. It's happened to a lot of other projects before.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2009, 8:59 PM
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Just an article discussing funding for the Nova Centre from today's Herald...

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Columnists/1156616.html

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If it can happen in Toronto, can we do it here?

By ROGER TAYLOR Business Editor
Tue. Dec 8 - 4:45 AM

AS STRANGE AS it sounds, the federal government’s decision to designate $20 million from its infrastructure stimulus account to help save Harold Ballard’s footprints is good news for Nova Scotia.

Actually, I’m not sure if the foot and handprints of the cantankerous former Toronto Maple Leafs owner, preserved in concrete at centre ice at Maple Leaf Gardens, are part of the plan to convert the former hockey temple into a combination grocery store and university sports facility, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

It’s good news for Nova Scotia because the makeover of the old Gardens signals to this province that Ottawa is certainly willing to loosen the purse strings for public-private partnerships that have broader community implications.

I’ve read that construction of a giant grocery store was deemed necessary for the downtown Toronto area and that Ryerson University was in need for recreational facilities. So this was a way to accomplish two things at once.

In Halifax, there is a perceived need for a new convention centre in the downtown, twice the size of the existing one. It would not only allow Nova Scotia’s capital to recapture some of the lucrative business it has lost in recent years as conventions went elsewhere in search of larger facilities, but it is also viewed as a unique opportunity to revitalize the downtown area.

Of course, Halifax regional council is gung-ho. But since the bulk of the funding for the convention centre is expected to come from more senior levels of government, the province is being careful to make sure the economics make sense.

The company selected to bid on the project, Rank Inc. of Halifax, has until the end of February to submit a detailed plan. If approved, and if the funding is available, Rank would build Nova Centre, Global Trade and Finance on the site of the former Halifax Herald building on Argyle Street.

Besides the convention centre, the project would include a hotel complex, an office tower, a residential component and retail space. Some people have speculated the cost of the convention centre could be in the range of $100 million to $200 million, but the overall development has an estimated price tag greater than $300 million.

Once it figures out what it wants to do, the province is expected to approach Ottawa to assist in the financing of the project.

Saving Maple Leaf Gardens from the wrecking ball is a valid accomplishment because of its historic significance to hockey fans across the country, but only the outside of the building will remain.

There is a plan for a small museum dedicated to what the building once was, but there won’t be much left inside after the renovations are over.

I can’t help but suggest that if Maple Leaf Gardens were located in Halifax, heritage groups would, in all likelihood, oppose the plan because they would want to keep the building as a hockey stadium and nothing more.

Loblaw Companies Ltd. and Ryerson are partnering on the Gardens project.

Loblaw already owns the building and plans to spend about $25 million to build a 70,000-square-foot grocery store on the first level, with the addition of a giant underground parking garage.

Ottawa will chip in $20 million to help Ryerson pay the estimated $60 million it will take to move the ice surface up a couple of storeys in the building and create recreational space, including a volleyball court and new basketball court.

Hopefully, the federal government will be just as willing to assist in the funding of the new Halifax convention centre when the time comes.

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Old Posted Dec 8, 2009, 10:10 PM
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Ugh, for the last time... its going to be more than just a convention centre... its going to be a trade centre.

What is Roger Taylor's background? Did he go to business school?
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Ugh, for the last time... its going to be more than just a convention centre... its going to be a trade centre.

What is Roger Taylor's background? Did he go to business school?
What do you mean by trade centre? Offices? and what does this have to do with the article?
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What do you mean by trade centre? Offices? and what does this have to do with the article?
Really. I'm not sure why you are attacking Roger Taylor here, Worldly. He says as much in the article... that it is a mix of uses. I'm also not sure how you mean when you are differentiating between trade center and convention center.

The impression I get from the article is a positive view of how financing may proceed, and a negative view of local heritage wingnuts. A view most of us on this board share.
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2009, 4:31 AM
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I share that view...

I'm just sour because he doesn't really take into account how important this development really is. The difference between it being just a site for conventions and a trade centre is that what we currently have is focused primarly on conventions/trade shows vs. the possibility of real investment attraction through an office facility portion that creates jobs and economic prosperity for the city/province/country.
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2009, 12:05 PM
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I am really looking forward to seeing this convention and trade centre proceed. I wonder which is more important in drawing people to Halifax a new convention/trade centre or new stadium and which will provide more benefit to the people of the HRM. Ideally, it would be best to see both. What do others think?
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2009, 7:18 PM
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I am really looking forward to seeing this convention and trade centre proceed. I wonder which is more important in drawing people to Halifax a new convention/trade centre or new stadium and which will provide more benefit to the people of the HRM. Ideally, it would be best to see both. What do others think?
I would love both too, but right now I believe the new Convention/Trade Center is the better choice. Look at how many past opportunities passed by Halifax in search of larger venue and more space. I know the same could be said about the stadium but from the number of missed conventions I saw that this city could have had really hurt the growth of downtown. The new center should spark more development downtown, something I'm not sure the Stadium could do yet.
That being said I will buy season tickets to all CFL games we ever get here. Go Argos!!!
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2009, 8:04 PM
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I think a trade and convention centre will have a more immediate, obvious, and sustained impact.

A nice stadium is a good quality of life selling point for bringing people to the city and would probably have a more subtle positive effect over a long period of time (outside of major events)
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2009, 8:37 PM
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A stadium could be THE RESULT of having a new trade centre... and I'm talking about the efforts of trade professionals.

The more investment attraction, corporate offices (even just regional ones) that open up in Halifax the more likely that we would be able to have a stadium and team to boot.

This new space for selling Nova Scotia as a good place to do business is crucial to the future of the city and the region in general.

Its exciting to see companies like RIM, Lockheed etc come to Halifax and if we grow our economic base enough and are able to shed the backwater image, we will be able to build a stadium or support a professional sports franchise.

I think the next 10 years are going to be crucial in terms of how the city adapts to a new economic paradigm. I just wish we did more and better business here.
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2009, 8:41 PM
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Really. I'm not sure why you are attacking Roger Taylor here, Worldly. He says as much in the article... that it is a mix of uses. I'm also not sure how you mean when you are differentiating between trade center and convention center.

The impression I get from the article is a positive view of how financing may proceed, and a negative view of local heritage wingnuts. A view most of us on this board share.
Lol, and I wasn't trying to attack Roger, I just find he discusses points inaccurately in his articles.

I like your usage of "wingnuts"... it totally describes the heritage posse.
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puttin some of the scalfolldin up on argyle side
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2009, 5:14 AM
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They aren't moving super quickly, but they are taking the herald building down piece by piece. I honestly think its going to be great for downtown, especially in these winter months due to the atrium.
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2009, 6:05 PM
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They aren't moving super quickly, but they are taking the herald building down piece by piece. I honestly think its going to be great for downtown, especially in these winter months due to the atrium.
this will be good for de MOJO of halifax and prolly bring lots' of hot convention chicks to town
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2009, 6:08 PM
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I have to ask what the status on this project is. Is it a go yet or is the provincial government still contemplating it?
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