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The right of way for Hwy 1 through the Fraser Valley is so wide BC MoT could plunk almost a 20 lane cross-section if they so desired.
     
     
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The right of way for Hwy 1 through the Fraser Valley is so wide BC MoT could plunk almost a 20 lane cross-section if they so desired.
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We have a long way to go for that! And we will never need it. But it is good that we are finally getting a highway system with appropriate interchanges and bridges!

Additions such as the GEB/GEW, the Coast Meridian Overpass, Pitt River Bridge & SFPR hopefully will finally shake metro-Vancouver's terrible highway system image. At least we will have lots of nice bridges!

Once the Pattullo bridge is replaced the entire metro area, except for Vancouver proper, will have a terrific bridge system.

Hehe, 10 years from now the only poor connection in the suburbs will be the Massey Tunnels.

But Vancouver proper will still have the terrible Oak Street, Knight Street & Lions Gate Bridges (Lions Gate only terrible for traffic, historic value it is amazing).
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But Vancouver proper will still have the terrible Oak Street, Knight Street & Lions Gate Bridges (Lions Gate only terrible for traffic, historic value it is amazing).
Oak Street can be configured, but Knight Street bridge is a huge issue. The merge points are so short and there is little room to expand it. Once Gateway is over, I'm sure there will be plans for Oak and Lions, especially since the Parks Board wants the bridge to be replaced.
     
     
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I dont want the lions gate replaced, i just want it closed to vehicle traffic (let it become the world's flagship cycling, pedestrian & trams only bridge) but have a new 6 lane link (possibly at the foot of main street) built in its retirement.
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oh that sucks they are going to put grass and trees in the middle? I much prefer that they have a paved shoulder and jersey barriers.

Also, are they going to be adding/upgrading the lights? It would be nice if the highway is properly lit.
Oops sorry I never meant that they were for sure going to put grass down. Just saying that it is easier to clear everything out and build what you need.

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But Vancouver proper will still have the terrible Oak Street, Knight Street & Lions Gate Bridges (Lions Gate only terrible for traffic, historic value it is amazing).
The biggest improvent they could do fro the Knight Street Bridge. Would be to put a bridge on the boundary road - 8 road corridor. That would tie in the east-west connector.

Also on the knight street bridge itself. I think the northbound off ramp onto marine drive east bound is poorly designed (well actually the whole bridge is poorly designed but anyways). There is a backup of cars trying to merge into that curb lane on marine going east bound. At the same time there is the side street borden. Which people are trying to turn right one. What they should do is have the off ramp going onto it's own lane and then have it merge with the curb lane about 100-200m up ahead. Also block off any right turns onto borden.

There are other things they could do but that would help alot on the northbound traffic.
     
     
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Provincial project threatens Delta bird habitat: MLA Huntington

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By Andrew MacLeod September 3, 2009 02:25 pm

Indpendent MLA Vicki Huntington used her first speech in the British Columbia legislature to denounce the provincial government's destruction of migratory bird habitat in her constituency.

There is nothing in the throne speech or the budget that recognizes a moral obligation to the flyway and the wildlife that depends on it,” she said, according to the Hansard transcript of the Sept. 3 speech that listed several reasons she believes voters chose her over Liberal incumbent Wally Oppal. “Without a healthy foreshore and without protected agricultural lands, we will destroy the habitat that supports that flyway.

The biggest threat to agricultural land in Delta is the province's Gateway highway program that will destroy 1,000 acres, she said. “The finest soil in Canada will become a rail yard, a container-storage facility, a four-lane truck highway, an interchange, a commercial development and a container port.”

Asked about Huntington's comments, Environment Minister Barry Penner said, “The federal government has constitutional authority with respect to migratory birds because they cross boundaries.” He said he believed a Gateway environmental assessment had addressed bird habitat, but that he would have to check.

The Fraser delta is one of the four most important bird habitats in the world and has Canada's largest concentration of birds of prey, Huntington said in her speech.

“The [provincial] government likes to say that we have to balance the economy and the environment,” she said. “Well, Delta South is the balance. We are all that is left of the habitat that supports millions and millions of birds. But no one listens. Instead we build highways and container ports on the most precious land in the province. Where has our morality gone?”
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The South Fraser perimeter road is part of the government's vaunted Gateway program, one of the job creation opportunities that will provide "additional stability and confidence." How much money could be transferred to other infrastructure projects if the Minister of Transportation did a cost-benefit analysis on altering the designated route?

Delta doesn't want to get rid of the highway. We simply want logic to prevail. How much money could be saved if the portion of the highway north of 99 used the existing and sufficient rights-of-way on Highways 99 and 91? Does the minister know? Do her officials? Have they even looked at the suggestion? After all, the municipality of Delta is building a parallel road to the SFPR through the industrial zone.

Do we really need two roads? Could we upgrade existing roads into the industrial area at a fraction of the cost? Will anyone listen to us before it's too late?

Does the minister know that her highway goes through red-listed habitat, that the little mammal found on the edge of Burns Bog was thought extinct, let alone at risk? That single fact brings chills to my soul when I contemplate the real reason for the announcement of a species-at-risk task force.

Does the minister know that 95 percent of the built heritage of North Delta is being impacted or destroyed by her highway, that the last forested bluff on the lower Fraser River and one of the oldest pioneer communities on the Fraser is being destroyed? There is an alternative, if anyone cares to listen.

There are so many reasons that Delta decided it could take no more from this government. Even a 30-minute speech can't do justice to the reasons Delta South feels so betrayed. Over 1,000 acres of Delta's agricultural land is disappearing with the Gateway program — 1,000 acres. The finest soil in Canada will become a rail yard, a container-storage facility, a four-lane truck highway, an interchange, a commercial development and a container port.

This is in a community that is all that remains of the migratory bird flyway on the Fraser delta — one of the four most important bird habitats in the world — a community that has Canada's largest concentration of birds of prey.

There is nothing in the throne speech or the budget that recognizes a moral obligation to the flyway and the wildlife that depends on it. Without a healthy foreshore and without protected agricultural lands, we will destroy the habitat that supports that flyway.

The government likes to say that we have to balance the economy and the environment. Well, Delta South is the balance. We are all that is left of the habitat that supports millions and millions of birds. But no one listens. Instead we build highways and container ports on the most precious land in the province. Where has our morality gone?
source: HANSARD- Thursday, September 3, 2009, Morning (Vol. 1, No.11)

The Corporation of Delta is building a parallel road... Huntington does have a point here... maybe they could do something about it.... and btw the SFPR is awefully close to the Vancouver Landfill and runs through some prime agri land as mentioned by the MLA for Delta South
     
     
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I dont want the lions gate replaced, i just want it closed to vehicle traffic (let it become the world's flagship cycling, pedestrian & trams only bridge) but have a new 6 lane link (possibly at the foot of main street) built in its retirement.
Excuse me, I meant keeping the bridge for pedestians/potential LRT and having a tunnel linking downtown with West Van.

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The biggest improvent they could do fro the Knight Street Bridge. Would be to put a bridge on the boundary road - 8 road corridor. That would tie in the east-west connector.

Also on the knight street bridge itself. I think the northbound off ramp onto marine drive east bound is poorly designed (well actually the whole bridge is poorly designed but anyways). There is a backup of cars trying to merge into that curb lane on marine going east bound. At the same time there is the side street borden. Which people are trying to turn right one. What they should do is have the off ramp going onto it's own lane and then have it merge with the curb lane about 100-200m up ahead. Also block off any right turns onto borden.

There are other things they could do but that would help alot on the northbound traffic.
How many people actually go from Burnaby to Richmond? (I'm just asking because I'm curious). The main problem with the Boundary corridor is that there's really nothing on the Richmond side, so you are pretty much building the corrdior straight through to Highway 91.

The main bottleneck is northbound towards the bridge deck. Bridgeport eastbound towards to the bridge has a really short merging lane.
     
     
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10 years from now the only poor connection in the suburbs will be the Massey Tunnels.
An interesting tidbit regarding the Massey Tunnel:

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Buckland & Taylor Ltd. was retained in 1999 to prepare a seismic assessment of the structure [Massey Tunnel], which identified seismic vulnerabilities and established feasible seismic retrofits and costs.

A retrofit project was then initiated to increase the survivability of the tunnel in the event of a significant earthquake.

In May 2001, Buckland & Taylor Ltd. was selected to prepare the final design for the seismic retrofits.

Subsequently, the B.C. Ministry of Transportation upgraded the pumping and emergency power system and Buckland & Taylor Ltd. performed this work. The retrofits were completed in 2006.

Upon completion, the ministry decided not to proceed with the other improvements.

A second value engineering exercise took into consideration that there is a plan to replace the tunnel with a new crossing in the next 20 years.
http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id35191

Interesting. That's the first tangible confirmation that I've heard about the future of the GMT. Due to "value engineering", the next step in upgrades to the GMT were not commenced due to the anicipated replacement of the tunnel by 2026.

I was always of the belief that when the crossing is expanded (hopefully by an 8-lane bridge structure, inclusive of auxiliary lanes) that the existing tubes should act as an HOV lane + shoulder in each direction.

Of course, that crossing upgrade would comprise part of larger system upgrades along the entire Hwy 99 corridor inclusive of an Oak St. Bridge expansion (3 lanes + 1 auxiliary lane in each direction)
     
     
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How many people actually go from Burnaby to Richmond? (I'm just asking because I'm curious). The main problem with the Boundary corridor is that there's really nothing on the Richmond side, so you are pretty much building the corrdior straight through to Highway 91.

The main bottleneck is northbound towards the bridge deck. Bridgeport eastbound towards to the bridge has a really short merging lane.
I do agree that the merge lanes from bridgeport to knight street north bound are too short.

But at the same time I always see a long lineup of cars going down onto marine drive from the northbound off ramp. It becomes so long that it backs up onto the bridge deck. You then end up with the right lane being very slow. The left lane is faster. But people are constantly pulling out in front or wanting to cut back into the right lane at the last second that they end up blocking the left lane. After that off ramp it seems that the traffic on knight street really lights up.

As for the boundary road bridge. While yes there is nothing on the Richmond side other than farm land. I think it would relieve pressure off the queensborough and knight street bridges. People wouldn't have to travel so far in either direction just to cross.
     
     
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I dont want the lions gate replaced, i just want it closed to vehicle traffic (let it become the world's flagship cycling, pedestrian & trams only bridge) but have a new 6 lane link (possibly at the foot of main street) built in its retirement.
Tunnel!!!
     
     
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That quiet concrete sounds interesting.
     
     
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We're not that far behind the times. On the 99 near residential areas then road is paved with super quiet asphalt.
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They were talking about it on KIRO news. And theres also a sign on the side of the highway saying "this portion of I-5 is testing quiet concrete". I liked it

At least they are repaving many parts of I-5...
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The highway portion of the GEW in Maple Ridge uses those cable dividers in the median. Again i feel that the GEW, although short, is the best designed highway in the entire metro area.

I really do hope that the re-construction of the #1 also includes such upgrades as repaving and leveling the entire highway with stronger/better materials (there are far to many dips and humps in our road, only in Vancouver does one find such poor leveling on such a heavily used highway).

The use of the cable dividers would be a great addition, as would better use of reflectors on off ramps (look at GEW off ramps for example) and how about installing a few LED traffic update signs along the rout? These are used in many areas to give warnings about poor weather conditions and traffic jams ahead.
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I'm amazed that along undivided BC highways that there doesn't seem to be any trace of a crossover accident. I say this because down in the Seattle area on I-5, crews installed cable-median barriers several years ago, but because of several deadly accidents where the barriers failed, crews are going back and replacing the cables with concrete. Talk about a waste of money.
     
     
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Basically, the whole highway (8 lanes) will be constructed within the median.

Based on what I've seen (I worked for the City of Surrey for a while, and seen the plans for the southside of the project) 156 Street will have an HOV-Only interchange, and then the highway will merge in around with with a centre concrete jersey barrier. with 3 general purpose + 1 HOV lane in either direction.
I don't think so. The just finished overpasses that go over Golden Ears Way and 156 St are built wide enough for the new freeway and are in place where the freeway currently is. They both have room for more lanes on the inside currently blocked off by concrete dividers. I really think the existing lanes are still going to be there there after it's all done. They aren't going to replace those 2 just finished sets of overpasses OR have the freeway do a curve into them.

There IS room for an entire new freeway in the median, but I don't think they are replacing the whole thing, just putting the new lanes on the inside. I have a feeling someone at the MoT really wants to keep the room in the middle for a future LRT commuter line.
     
     
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I'm amazed that along undivided BC highways that there doesn't seem to be any trace of a crossover accident. I say this because down in the Seattle area on I-5, crews installed cable-median barriers several years ago, but because of several deadly accidents where the barriers failed, crews are going back and replacing the cables with concrete. Talk about a waste of money.
people arent stupid and they tend to be more careful on roads where they dont have visible barriers that are there to save their ass when they fuck up.

seriously.

for example helmets and their effects on risky behavior have been studied to death, and the results always were...when you slap a helmet on that reduces risk you compensate by increasing risk to continually push yourself to the maximum limit vs risk.

just throwing out a explanation.
     
     
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