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Old Posted Sep 2, 2009, 4:08 PM
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All this talk of an election is a bit of a moot point. It is becoming more apparent that the NDP will prop up this government, despite its criticism of the Liberals for doing so in the past.

If (big if) an election does take place, odds are it will not be a majority government of any flavour. If there was any chance of a Conservative majority Harper would have already dropped the writ. A Conservative majority would require gains in Ontario, Quebec and the maritimes, something they are not positioned to do. In fact, they are positioned to lose several of their seats east of the Ottawa river. If the Liberals were to form a majority, they would require gains in Quebec, Ontario and western Canada. While they are positioned to make gains in Ontario and Quebec, the Ontario race is too close to translate into significant gains for them, and BC could see a couple Liberal seats lost to a surging Green Party (if they get their campaign organized to focus on a few winnable seats instead of spread across the entire nation). Discontent in Sask and Man over the government's inaction in reponse to the worst drought in recent memory may lead to a couple of Liberal/NDP gains across the prairies, but not enough to tip them into majority territory.

Locally, not a whole lot would change, although Marsden and Charlton will both have tough fights to hold on. Christopherson's return is pretty much a sure thing. Sweet is toast.

A fall election would likely see the Conservatives and Liberals with a roughly equal allotment of seats in the House, with the balance of power held by the NDP and the Greens. BQ are the spoilers here. If anything is achieved by an election this fall, maybe it will finally turn the page on the idea of one-party majority rule, and lead Canadians to embrace the concept of coalition governing.
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Or they might hold their nose and vote Liberal as the only real opposition to Sweet.
Exactly. Although more likely they'll vote NDP and split the left as they have in the past. This is another reason why Sweet won this riding. If Westdalers and Dundasians decide to vote Lib en masse in order to oust Sweet, he's toast.
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I hope Tyler Banham runs in this election. I think he has a good future in politics. The way he talks is almost a carbon copy of Munro, Copps and Agostino.
Didn't Banham get totally slapped last time? Frankly anyone in the Munro, Copps and Agostino mode frightens me and is definitely not a selling point.
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Old Posted Sep 2, 2009, 5:58 PM
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I think this will go down as the most annoying election in history. All of the parties will be fighting over what should have been done this time last year what they would have done differently whose fault was who's. Blah blah blah. The reality is that all of the parties would have run up a huge deficit, all of them would have had trouble getting stimulus cash out the door. The entire country was being carried along by the rapids of a global recession and there was nothing anybody could have done differently.

I hope hope hope that Ignatieff stears away from his bullshit arguments of "You Conservatives didn't get the stimulus cash out the door fast enough" and "You Conservatives aren't doing enough for EI reform."

We all know that pumping out $50 Billion in cash is a huge undertaking and ripe for abuse, if it takes a little longer to role out so that as little as possible of that money isn't stolen, so be it.

We also all know that the current EI system is a product of previous Liberal Govmnts and any changes made now would have very little effect. The time for EI changes was last year around this time.

I also hope hope hope that Harper doesn't crow too much about all the success of the New Canadian Governments Stimulus Package. Are we all so stupid as to forget that he wasn't even going to provide any stimulus package as of November of last year? He was forced to look past his Neo-con ideology by the opposition and see how repeating the mistakes of the 1930's would be disasterous.

I also hope that the NDP steps back the brink of irelevance... or maybe not... if the NDP goes away that usualy stengthens the Liberals which I personally am a fan of. Always with the new programs, the new spending.... damnit man, just get the programs we have now to work efficiently and properly first! And I know that poor have it rough and that they're really having an exceptionaly rough time right now... but we have existing programs in place to cushion the fall of losing your job we don't need more programs that just ends up rewarding the 3-4% of the population that is gaming the system so they don't have to do an honest's days work.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 5:23 PM
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Didn't Banham get totally slapped last time? Frankly anyone in the Munro, Copps and Agostino mode frightens me and is definitely not a selling point.
I think he might have a better chance this time around with Dion gone. Hopefully people realize that Charlton hasn't done too much for the mountain since she's been elected.

Copps, Agostino and Phinney all lost their first time around too, so I wouldn't count him out. Agostino finished third against a Charlton as well.

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Beth Phinney did nothing for decades. She woke up once ever 4 years to put signs out and that was it. Anyone who can get elected as many times as she did and never ever even considered for a cabinet post says something about her level of capabilities. nice pension now tho
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Banham has to stay in the game. Charlton is no help for Hamilton. Banham has intelligence and he's young. A labour lawyer he is.

Ya Chris a government ministry devoted to try and keep gas prices low.... that sounds like a great idea. you keep on that.. a winner for sure.
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Well, this has clearly become a moot discussion, what now that Harper has his Conservative government propped up by socialists and separatists. Oh, the irony...
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^ Not really it appears this whole thing was planned out by the Liberals to embarrass the NDP and still get an election.

Liberals offer to speed EI bill

September 17, 2009
Joan Bryden
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http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/636871

OTTAWA — The Liberals are trying to rush passage of Tory EI legislation, hoping to rob the NDP of its rationale for propping up the Harper government.

As of late today, there was no agreement among the parties to expedite the bill — worth up to $1 billion in extended employment insurance benefits for about 190,000 long-term workers.

Sources said the Bloc Québécois balked at a Conservative proposal to wrap up preliminary debate on the bill by Friday, allowing it to be examined by a Commons committee next week, even though the House will not be sitting.

However, Government House Leader Jay Hill said he remains hopeful that something may yet be worked out.

The behind-the-scenes manoeuvring was prompted by a Liberal proposal to whisk the bill through all stages of the legislative process in the House of Commons by Friday.

At the same time, Liberals in the Senate tabled a motion seeking to allow the upper house to begin its examination of the bill without waiting for the Commons to finish with it.

The twin ploys were intended to ensure the bill wins the approval of both Houses of Parliament before the first week of October. That’s when the Liberals intend to introduce a motion of non-confidence in Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s minority Conservative government.

The move was designed to embarrass NDP Leader Jack Layton, who has said his party will prop up the government at least until the EI reforms are implemented.

“We don’t want to give Mr. Layton any alibis,” Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said early today.

Most bills take months to wend their way through the legislative process in both houses of Parliament.

Although Liberals believe the EI bill “falls radically short of serious employment insurance reform,” Ignatieff said they want to expedite its passage.

“We’re not going to hold it up. Let’s get it through and get to the motion of non-confidence which we will bring forward in due time.”

Layton said he too wants the bill passed quickly “so that the money gets to the unemployed.”

Still, he said it’s preferable for MPs to have time to examine the bill carefully and hear from expert witnesses to ensure it lives up to its advance billing.

“We’re not going to spell out a specific number of days here but I think that committees can do their work very quickly,” he said, adding that he has no objection to the committee sitting during next week’s parliamentary break.

Some critics, including labour unions usually allied with the NDP, have complained that only a tiny fraction of long-term workers will actually be eligible for extended benefits.

Layton said that’s the kind of thing that needs to be explored, adding “there’s no question that there’s some unemployed workers, lots of them, who are not going to be helped by this legislation.”

The NDP leader repeatedly refused to say whether his party would support the Liberal non-confidence motion if the EI bill is passed by then.

“That’s a very big if,” he said.

However, Layton hinted that the government will have to come up with other inducements if it wants continuing NDP support on confidence matters once the EI bill is passed.

“I have simply said to the prime minister that if he wants to lead in a minority parliament, he has to work with other parties. He’s got to reach out, he’s got to say, ‘Alright, I’m willing to work with you on your priorities,”’ he said.

“We’ve been pretty clear on what those priorities are. Unemployment was right at the top of the list . . . There are certainly other things that need work.”

Pension protection and consumer protection against bank fees are among the other priorities Layton has cited.
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Local Liberals gearing up for a dogfight

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Hamilton area Liberals are expected to get the okay from their federal party officials to start holding nomination meetings beginning next week.

Nithy Ananth, the Hamilton East-Stoney Creek federal Liberal riding association chief executive officer, and Ontario campaign co-chair, said the Liberal Party of Canada is expected to give the riding association’s preferred candidates by the weekend.

He said the Liberal candidate for Hamilton East-Stoney Creek will be known by the weekend, and a nomination meeting will be held within a week to acclaim the candidate. He said there will be no contested nomination.

Mr. Ananth, who was also chair of the search committee for the Hamilton East-Stoney Creek federal Liberal association, refused to reveal who will challenge incumbent NDP MP Wayne Marston. There were a number of names on Mr. Ananth’s list, including former Hamilton mayor Larry Di Ianni, the 2008 candidate, Ivan Luksic, who lost out to Mr. Di Ianni in the 2008 nomination meeting, and current Stoney Creek councillor Maria Pearson.

She has stated she is not interested in the position.

The Hamilton Mountain Liberals have also been searching for what some have said is a “high profile” candidate to take on NDP incumbent Chris Charlton. Offers have been extended to former Hamilton Mountain Liberal MPP Marie Bountrogianni, and former Lakeport Brewing CEO Teresa Cascioli, but were turned down.

Hamilton Centre Liberals were also left empty-handed when Ward 2 councillor Bob Bratina decided not to seek the nomination to challenge incumbent NDP MP David Christopherson.

Hamilton Centre federal Liberal association vice-president and chair of the search committee, Don Drury, said he has been in discussions with a number of possible “serious” candidates. He expects a candidate will be selected and a nomination meeting will take place by the end of the month.

Mr. Ananth said the nominations could coincide with a possible announcement of another federal election. Federal politicians will be returning to Parliament Sept. 14 with the expectation that the Liberals will vote against the ruling Conservatives in a no-confidence vote, sparking the fourth election in five years.

Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff announced he will not support the Conservatives because of their mis-management of the economy. The NDP leader Jack Layton and the Bloc have stated their parties will not prop up Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government.

An election could be held, depending upon when the Conservatives lose a no-confidence vote, in October, or the early part of November.
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Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff came to Hamilton September 19, 2009 to speak to local supporters, including ADFW candidate Dan McLean. Other local liberals on hand were, Judy Marsales, Larry DiIanni, and possible candidates Bob Bratina and Maria Pearson (both presently Hamilton councillors). Mountain councillor Terry Whitehead was also in the crowd. Mr. Ignatieff talked about the recent attack ads against him, healthcare and the economy. Here are a few clips from the event held at the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

WELCOMED by International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers:

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Looks like the Conservatives are getting a little nervous with Dan McLean as a Liberal candidate. They, meaning David Sweet, just announced $4 million from the Feds for the Morgan Firestone Arena. It wasn't on the infrastructure stimulus list.
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Please, If McLean wins this city is so lame.

Just because he's a Liberal candidate and just because he anchored CHCH News that makes him a good leader and representative.???? Qualifications? Education? His own opinions, vision? We know nothing about him.

People shouldn't vote for him because they saw him on TV. *reading a script*
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You're forgetting Dundas which is solidly Liberal. Ancaster could go either way. The main reason Sweet got in again last time is because the Libs ran such a complete nonentity against him. In spite of personal anecdotes about Sweet's niceness (I have one myself. He called me personally and we had a lovely chat about a particular issue), he is widely perceived as being completely useless. Whether that's fair or not is beside the point, perception is huge.
If he continues to run up the numbers in Flamborough (which he should since his right-of-Harper, strongly anti-abortion, anti-gay rights views are mainstream there), a Liberal win requires one of two things:

1) Turning the NDP-leaning Westdale in their favour (strategic voting), if the university crowd hates Harper that much.

2) Winning big in Liberal Dundas and winning solidly in Red Tory Ancaster.
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McLean will have to work hard at Ancaster, that's Sweet's stronghold.

Orginally McLean wanted to run as Conservative, he checked if Sweet would run for a re-election. When Sweet confirmed he would McLean went Liberal. He's a blue Liberal, fisically conservative and probably a social moderate, probably isn't a big supporter of same-sex marriage.
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Liberals introduce motion to topple Tories

September 28, 2009
The Canadian Press
http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/643515

OTTAWA - The Liberals have introduced a motion aimed at toppling the Harper government, but it appears certain the Tories won’t fall.

The motion tabled today states simply: ‘That this House has lost confidence in the government.’

If it was to pass in a vote Thursday, it would force an election.

But NDP Leader Jack Layton says his party will back the government, guaranteeing its survival.

Layton says supporting the government is the only way to ensure speedy passage of legislation extending EI benefits for the unemployed.
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This is going to look really good on the Fiberals. Can't wait. Either way.

I actually hope there's an election. Union Jack will have his seats cut in half, Liberals will lose more in Ontario, PC will gain more Ontario. QC will stay the same. Green will pick up some of the lost Libs. Maritimes *mainly NS* might lean a little PC.
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper today presented the Government's latest report on the implementation of Canada's Economic Action Plan.

The Third Report to Canadians entitled "Staying on Course" shows that 90 per cent of the stimulus funding for this fiscal year has now been committed to more than 7,500 infrastructure and housing projects. More than 4,000 of these projects have begun in the first six months of the 24-month plan.
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Looks like Marie Bountrogianni will be returning to politics and run for MP for Hamilton Mountain in the next federal election.

Charlton vs. Bountrogianni would be an interesting race.
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Cool!
Where is this info from? Can't find anything online.
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