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Old Posted Jul 24, 2009, 7:05 AM
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I think you see so many elderly LDS women and men because it is convenient living. They can walk to most of their places such as the Temple, Genealogy Library, etc. and not have to rely on someone to pick them up.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Now that the baby boomer's are retiring, I think that you will see a large influx of older people moving or living in DT SLC. I think that most of them will be LDS because of all of the facilities that are located in a central area. I dont think any other major city in the States can offer what SLC has to offer older people, but then again this is for certain group of people. I dont really see non-LDS older people living in DT SLC.
     
     
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There will always be a large percentage of elderly people living within the immediate vicinity of Temple Square. Many LDS seniors love filling their hours with temple and geneology work. However, if we're talking about places such as the Gateway district etc., then you will find a much different dynamic. Really it depends on the complex. As Stenar was saying, many complexes simply favor seniors. I do think the dynamic will continue to become a better mix than in the past as more options such as the Regent, Lexi Tower or Providence Place become prevalent.

I'm hoping that the Trolley Square district will finally get it's act together. Right now it's in this ghost town kind of limbo until the economy recovers. There's so much potential for Trolley. I continue to see it and certain corridors surrounding it as very underdeveloped.

Here's another article about the Providence Place development. I'm glad to see this project getting off the ground now.

Bonding for downtown affordable housing project approved

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705318786/Affordable-housing-project-funded.html

...The Private Activity Bond Authority announced Wednesday the authorization of $9.8 million in tax-exempt bonding for a $13 million multi-family apartment development in downtown Salt Lake City. If completed as proposed, the project would provide 124 units of affordable rental housing to residents making 60 percent of the Salt Lake County household median income — which would be about $40,680, according to the Utah Housing Coalition...

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I think you hit the nail on the head. Now that the baby boomer's are retiring, I think that you will see a large influx of older people moving or living in DT SLC. I think that most of them will be LDS because of all of the facilities that are located in a central area. I dont think any other major city in the States can offer what SLC has to offer older people, but then again this is for certain group of people. I dont really see non-LDS older people living in DT SLC.
I think we will see a large influx of non-lds older people as well. Downtown has more to offer than just Temple Square. There are great restaurants, thriving arts and theatre districts, and amenities like: pharmacies, dentist offices, and TRAX to the University hospital. The free concerts on Temple Square can be quite entertaining for lds and non-lds alike. That is if the non-lds population can see past the "spoken word" part.
     
     
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As anyone who is even minimally informed should know, the so called Spoken Word program is very non-denominational in nature. Of course yes, if someone were an agnostic or simply atheist that would probably be a problem. Also, The Spoken word program is but one of many ongoing 'free to the public' recitals and concerts offered regurlarly at Temple Square. The Assembly Hall is actually an amazing venue, which offers regular performances by some of the worlds most accomplished local, regional and touring performing artists.
     
     
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I think we will see a large influx of non-lds older people as well. Downtown has more to offer than just Temple Square. There are great restaurants, thriving arts and theatre districts, and amenities like: pharmacies, dentist offices, and TRAX to the University hospital. The free concerts on Temple Square can be quite entertaining for lds and non-lds alike. That is if the non-lds population can see past the "spoken word" part.
Delts is right about the Spoken Word being about as generic in its presentation as possible, which is great for the diverse groups that come and see it. I think most people in the valley (myself included) don't appreciate the remarkable talent and value that is presented regularly at Temple Square. Another great place to check out is the Madeleine and the great presentation they put on.

I agree Urbanboy that other seniors will find downtown appealing. I know some think that just because the old folks don't add much to the nightlife, they aren't suited for downtown, but I find great value in their presence. One of the most obvious benefits would be their vast spending power. Seniors have all their savings to spend and aren't as affected by recessions.
     
     
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Well as I said a few months back, the affluent progressive elderly do tend to gravitate more toward the arts scene than the blue collar and younger crowds.

That isn't to say all do, but I think the larger number of limousine liberals downtown helps the city in the sense that it makes it far more cosmopolitan.

I think downtown has to offer it all. If it boxes itself into one or two demographics, it will never succeed.

So you have the ESA for the sports fan (an MLB park would look really good downtown right about now), the Gateway for the shoppers, the possible club scene for the 20-somethings and so on. It works and is growing.

Just not quite where it needs to be yet.
     
     
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Despite recession, downtown Salt Lake is rising

By Aaron Falk
The Deseret News



A banner with the slogan "rising" hangs along 100 South across from a construction site. Keith Johnson, Deseret News

The yellow and red banners hanging on streetlights and buildings make the claim, but the proof is in the construction crews and cranes, the coming soons and the grand openings.

Downtown is rising.

"It feels different; it feels alive," said Jason Mathis, executive director of the Salt Lake City Downtown Alliance. "Something special is happening in Salt Lake that isn't happening in other metropolitan areas."

While a slumping economy has halted projects from New York to Portland, Salt Lake City's downtown is experiencing its biggest boom in decades, officials said.



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At the lead is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' $2 billion City Creek Center, a mix of retail and residential development. But downtown's rising is more than just that, Mathis said.

"Clearly (City Creek) is a big part of that, but there is enormous momentum from that helping to fuel other development," he said.

In recent months, roughly two dozen new businesses have opened shop in the central business district. Among them is Del Vance's Beerhive Pub on Main.

Vance, a New York native, remembers an eerie quiet downtown when he first moved to Salt Lake City.

"You could hear the crickets chirping," he said.

But as he opened the doors to his pub this week, Vance said he believes Main Street is finally coming back to life.

"I've always loved downtown, but Main Street has been sort of a roll of the dice the last 20 years," Vance said. "With the (LDS Church) pumping $2 billion into City Creek, I thought it might finally be the time to roll."

Mathis also points to the 22-story office building going up at 222 S. Main, the $7 million renovation planned for the Gallivan Center and an airport TRAX line as signs of progress in the downtown area.

Salt Lake leaders, meanwhile, are working on opening a Broadway-style theater in the old Newspaper Agency building on Main Street.

And this month, the city's Redevelopment Agency agreed to purchase the Utah Theater, which could be the future home of a Salt Lake film center.

"I've never seen downtown this busy and with this much development going on," said Rick Howa, who owned the theater for more than a decade. "When I was on the Planning Commission in the mid-'80s and early '90s, we always hoped we would see that kind of development."

That's good news for restaurateurs like John Speros, owner of Lamb's Grill. Speros' shop has been on Main Street since the 1930s. And while he said he doesn't know if Salt Lake's downtown can return to the heyday of the 1950s, Speros said he believes in its future.

"We're right in the middle of all that," he said. "Within two or three years, people will be clamoring to get space on Main Street. It will be a hub of activity. It will be the place to be."

Speros hopes more restaurants will open downtown. He doesn't see it as competition, but rather options that will keep diners returning to the area.

A number of the downtown projects — the TRAX line, the theater and City Creek — are scheduled to be completed by 2012. In all, Mathis expects to see about $3 billion pumped into downtown over the next five years.

The Downtown Alliance, meanwhile, will keep pushing its vision for downtown beyond 2012. Mathis hopes to strengthen the identity of a number of small downtown districts while making plans for a convention center hotel, a year-round public market near Pioneer Park and a global exchange place that features a World Trade Center Utah.

"There's a sense that this isn't just a promise for the future, but a promise that's being fulfilled now," Mathis said.

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The Commercial Club will always be one of my favorite buildings anywhere. I look forward to the day when an attractive piece of infill is placed on the corner to the south.

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This really brings into perspective the wonderful, $2 billion gift the church is giving the city of Salt Lake. Where would SL be without it? Really. It's difficult to imagine what downtown SL would be like without the church's contribution. What would have happened to Crossroads Mall if the church hadn't bought it? Would it still be around? Probably.
     
     
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That's what I was thinking.

This is what I LOVE about SLC, it's not like any other city when it comes to these kind of things.

The nice thing about the Mormon religion, it's like a GIANT company that is headquarted in SLC so you know it will always be here and creating opportunites for it's city and area.
     
     
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This really brings into perspective the wonderful, $2 billion gift the church is giving the city of Salt Lake. Where would SL be without it? Really. It's difficult to imagine what downtown SL would be like without the church's contribution. What would have happened to Crossroads Mall if the church hadn't bought it? Would it still be around? Probably.
It is definitely a great thing for Salt Lake, but I'm not sure I'd call it a "gift" or a "contribution." The for-profit side of the church is very smart and sees a wise business opportunity; it will reap the financial benefits of this investment, and the church's business side knows it.
     
     
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Well seeing Temple Square is one of SLC's main tourist attractions, it's great that they're trying to make it an aesthetically appealing, vibrant, and functional area.
     
     
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The Commercial Club will always be one of my favorite buildings anywhere. I look forward to the day when an attractive piece of infill is placed on the corner to the south.

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Wow, it's a shame it's not in a more prominent location. I don't think I've ever noticed how beautiful this building is.
     
     
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There are many distinct neighborhoods downtown. The 9th and 9th, Yale, and trolley neighborhoods were good examples, but it was argued that those are not really 'downtown.' Well, here's some that are. The Gateway district (this isn't just the gateway development itself. This includes the loft and shops along 3rd south west of W. Temple, the Cityview apartments, the Artspace developments, the Rio Grande, Pioneer Park, etc. There is the Marmalade district, which is becoming increasingly distinct and eclectic. The Broadway neighborhood (where I live, which has absorbed a LOT of the fallout from Sugarhouse's sad situation), Liberty Park area, the Avenues, the University neighborhoods, and on and on. These are all distinct areas with their own differing characteristics and vibes. They are all served by at least one form of mass transit, and are easily accessible from the interstate system. Downtown offers so much as a resident, not just a member of the workforce. This is true for all age groups. There is a very diverse mix of ages downtown. As a regular patron, employee, and student of the arts downtown, I can attest that places like the Salt Lake Film Society, Plan B theatre company, Salt Lake Acting Company, Pioneer Theatre Company, Somba Fogo dance troupe, and many others employ, are supported by, and perform for all ages and demographics. The LDS church is just one of the many draws for the older crowd around here. And as we all speculate, its going to grow quickly.
     
     
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Wow, it's a shame it's not in a more prominent location. I don't think I've ever noticed how beautiful this building is.
Where do you want it, along I-15? LOL This is what I'm talking about... You people need to get out more. Get downtown and get familiarized with it!

What downtown could really use is each and every one of you in person, adding to the ever increasing numbers of people-watchers, musicians, merchants, customers, etc.
     
     
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Wow, it's a shame it's not in a more prominent location.
LOL--the Commercial Club is about as prominently located as an historic building could get! Exchange Place is the center of SLC CBD historic buildings, and is designated as such.
     
     
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Where do you want it, along I-15? LOL This is what I'm talking about... You people need to get out more. Get downtown and get familiarized with it!

What downtown could really use is each and every one of you in person, adding to the ever increasing numbers of people-watchers, musicians, merchants, customers, etc.
Could've expected that coming from you

I'm sure most of us have been in the area, I myself have several times. It's not like I have any business on "Cactus Street" though.. I don't understand how that would really be considered prominent. When I think of prominent I think of stuff that lots of people see, and contrary to what you might think, lots of us suburbanites go downtown frequently. There are plenty of prominent locations downtown, don't be silly, a dead end street, in the middle of a block, surrounded by other buildings, in a relatively dead area (as in, most people have no business in, not what someone "designated" it as), isn't a "prominent" location.
     
     
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It's prominent enough. I like that little area and love the fact there is a cluster of older buildings enclosed there.

It has an entirely different feel than anything else downtown.
     
     
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When I think of prominent I think of stuff that lots of people see, and contrary to what you might think, lots of us suburbanites go downtown frequently. There are plenty of prominent locations downtown, don't be silly, a dead end street, in the middle of a block, surrounded by other buildings, in a relatively dead area (as in, most people have no business in, not what someone "designated" it as), isn't a "prominent" location.
Are you driving when you go downtown though? Lots of people see the Commercial Club every day, but most of them are pedestrians. I don't consider Exchange a dead area at all. There are business people there all day, and the Cactus Street plaza between the Boston and Newhouse Buildings is pretty popular at lunchtime. A lot of people cut across it and Exchange to get from State to Main and vice-versa. The area could use some nightlife, though, now that the Cabana Club is gone. Something is going in the Cabana's space... I hope it's open late!
     
     
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