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Old Posted Sep 12, 2007, 8:02 PM
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I figured I should have some juicy news if I'm gonna post, but only thing I got is that they've put up green fencing along Ceaser Chavez in preparation for Orsini phase 3. Not crazy about more Orsini but it beats whats there now for sure.
A new forumer who can give everyone a first hand description of what's going on in the hood is always needed & welcomed here. However, I think that fence was put up some time ago & I first learned about it on Ralossi's web page.

The specifics of the legal issues involving that site were described in this story. The CRA commission's chairman & the director of the chinatown BID share your POV about something new being better than what's there right now:


CRA/LA Vetoes Development In Chinatown

By KEELEY WEBSTER
CREJ Staff Writer

As development projects transform Los Angeles, city agencies are grappling with the issue of whether community benefits should be expected if not required of developers granted special exemptions on projects. The third phase of a mixed-use residential project that G.H. Palmer Associates is developing on the edge of Chinatown landed in the cross hairs of this issue. On Aug. 3, the board of commissioners for the Community Redevelopment Agency of Los Angeles rejected with a 3-3 vote G.H. Palmer's plans to build Orsini III, a 210-unit mixed-use apartment community over 13,000 square feet of retail.

"This highlights a philosophical issue that we still have on this board that we haven't resolved," said William H. Jackson III, who chairs the CRA commission. "When we have a project where they are asking for discretionary approval, but no dollars, what should we be asking for?"

Since the 63,571-square-foot lot that G.H. Palmer was planning to build its eight-story residential building on is zoned commercial, the project needed discretionary approval from the CRA commissioners. The board also needed to rule that the project met the environmental qualifications under the California Environmental Quality Act. Orsini I and Orsini II are located on adjacent corners to Orsini III, at the intersection of Figueroa Street and Sunset Boulevard. The city's planning department already had approved the project on both matters, but the CRA commission's approval was needed because the project is located in a CRA redevelopment area.

"Legally speaking, they were misguided," said Benjamin Reznik, a partner with Jeffer, Mangels, Butler & Marmaro LLP, the firm that represents G.H. Palmer.

Since developers can build residential in a commercial zone by-right, Reznik questioned whether the CRA can even reject the project on that basis. However the CRA contended that it has discretionary approval over the project because it's located in an area zoned for commercial and not residential, and the agency doesn't feel like the project would add enough to the community to justify an exception to the zoning.

Madeline Janis, vice chair of the board, emphasized that the CRA commissioners are not "requiring" the developer to create any public benefits. "I looked at the case law, which is why we didn't propose any conditions," Janis said. "In any negotiations with the developer, I want to make it clear that anything the developer does is entirely voluntary and not compelled by this board."

Several commissioners noted, however, that G.H. Palmer didn't voluntarily adhere to any of the requirements usually placed on developments in the CRA's redevelopment areas. Those include such items as making 15 percent of the units affordable and paying the construction workers prevailing wages. "We provided him with a list of items he could have done. I don't see anything here but a series of 'no's,'" Commissioner John Perez said of the list of suggested developer concessions in that redevelopment area.

"This developer has shown no interest or willingness to assert himself in any way on the overall redevelopment purposes," Janis said. "I think we have seen other developers who don't have to make an effort doing something."

Reznik said this is an attempt by the commissioners to leverage conditions out of his client that they can't require. "None of those things are relevant, because they don't have the legal authority to require them," Reznik said. "This not a subsidized project."

The commissioners also expressed concern over the fact that the ground-floor retail in Orsini I, which was completed in 2004 and fully occupied, and Orsini II, which is nearing completion, is completely vacant.

Ellia Thompson, a land-use attorney also with Jeffer Magels, said that the national tenant retailers weren't interested in talking to them until residents had moved into the project. "When we started Orsini I, there wasn't much there," Thompson said. "The people in the neighborhood wanted a Starbucks and a gourmet market, but those retailers weren't interested in the space."

Now that Orsini I is occupied and Orsini II is nearly complete, the broker at CB Richard Ellis has been able to schedule meetings with national tenant retailers, Thompson said. Janis found it suspicious, however, that brokers didn't begin scheduling meetings with national tenant retailers until just two weeks before the hearing. She also said that meetings were not the same as signed contracts. Thompson countered by saying that it doesn't benefit the developer for the commercial space to be vacant.

In addition to concern over tenant demand, commissioners opposed to the project also don't think the design of the market-rate apartment community is well integrated into the community. They questioned whether the affluent people in the Orsini projects would frequent Chinatown businesses and whether the ground-floor retail is contributing enough to make up for the commercial space it replaces. "I think we would be better served by a commercial project that really enhances pedestrian activity and adds to the Chinatown environment," Janis said, "rather than another Italian Renaissance, fortress-like building."

Perez said he doesn't want projects that contribute to the patchwork of gentrified areas in the city juxtaposed against lower-income communities and he sees this project as doing just that. "This has been referred to as Italian Renaissance, but, quite frankly, when I look at the gentrification in proximity to the pockets of poverty, it looks more like a feudal system versus renaissance," Perez said.

G.H. Palmer had justified not including affordable housing in his plans because the area has 2,000 units of affordable housing. But Perez compared that to putting one foot in freezing water and another in boiling water. "You could call that balanced, but are your feet the right temperature?" Perez asked. "When balance is not achieved by integrating affordable housing but by having it separate, that's not the balance we are looking for."

G.H. Palmer's history of battling the city over affordable-housing requirements also could have hurt the developer in the negotiation process. "I've known this developer a really long time and see how this developer operates," Janis said. "It basically means that you can't count on anything that isn't in writing. This developer is incredibly litigious and tries to get out of everything the city tries to get him to do."

Reznik said that the ruling was more about personal feelings the commissioners have about his client than the zoning laws. "It was clear from some of the statements made that the commissioners were prejudiced against my client because of previous dealings with him," Reznik said.

George Yu, executive director of the Chinatown Business Improvement District, and several local business owners testified in favor of the project. "This lot had been vacant for 20 years. The BID spent considerable time and effort to help secure and maintain the site to keep the negative nuisances out of our community," Yu said. "We might have to wait another 20 years to have another investment opportunity."

Board Chair Jackson, who voted in favor of the project, also saw the project as more beneficial than having a vacant lot on the site. "I would rather have something than nothing," Jackson said. "When we have areas that haven't been developed or are undeveloped, everyone, including the CRA, had the opportunity to take a risk on this site, but they didn't. They are willing to do this."

Even though the CRA can't require the developer to add public benefits to a project that it hasn't contributed money to, Commissioner Bruce Ackerman suggested the developer consider adding community benefits by "seeing what makes sense to your bottom line and coming back."

For now, the developer is considering his options, one of which would be to enforce the settlement agreement he reached with the city after he took them to federal court, Reznik said. G.H. Palmer demolished a building on the site of what is now Orsini II that the city wanted the developer to investigate its historical potential. The city then refused to issue a building permit, and G.H. Palmer took it to federal court. Under the settlement, the city agreed that the developer would be allowed to develop Orsini II and Orsini III, Reznik said. "It's clear that the CRA refusing to approve Orsini III is a breach of the settlement agreement," Reznik said. "I've a good mind to go back to federal court."

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Because of the pace of the permitting process, construction is now scheduled to begin in December, said Related Cos. spokeswoman Beatrice Hsu.


I was really looking forward to at least seeing the tinker toy parking structure being torn down starting in the next few wks. It would be nice if demolition still goes forward in Oct, but when they say "construction" I imagine that means preparing the site for actual devlpt. So the deadzones across from Disney Hall still will be there til almost Xmas time.
     
     
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Sick pano, friday. Just sick. The Herald Examiner towers would extend the skyline east - and be pretty damn prominent - from that view. I hope they move ahead.

On another note, if one zooms in on Camera 2 at the LA Live web cam, you'll see that they're starting to unwrap Hanover Tower. You can see the first few residential floors just above the Club Nokia building.
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Welcome to the forums, DowntownGymRat. Orsini 3's variance requests were rejected by the CRA, were they not? I wonder how they can set up construction fencing.
Hahaha, good one. Remember, this is Geoff Palmer. He don't care about no stinkin' variance requests!

He'd probably bulldoze his grandmother out of the way without asking permission, too!
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BTW, I was at a meeting with the Colburn School leadership the other day, and so I asked the CFO what he knew about the construction of Second Street between Olive and Grand. He said he believed the CRA would be starting that project (finally) in October.

I wonder if the Grand Avenue Project delay means that the roadway project is now delayed to December as well.
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I had a long post re: Orsini, and the South Park Towers construction tape, but SSP deleted it. Dammit.

In short, Orsini III was denied its permits by the CRA. Mr. Bastian said that it will get built, and I'm sure Mr. Palmer will be suing the city shortly, if he hasn't already. Bleh.

As far as the South Park Towers site goes, there IS tape, but there are also a few giant "at&t" logos on the site. This looks to be a mini staging area for the new logos to be placed on the SBC/Transamerica/at&t tower. Don't get your hopes up for a groundbreaking on South Park Towers anytime soon.
     
     
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Sick pano, friday. Just sick. The Herald Examiner towers would extend the skyline east - and be pretty damn prominent - from that view. I hope they move ahead.

On another note, if one zooms in on Camera 2 at the LA Live web cam, you'll see that they're starting to unwrap Hanover Tower. You can see the first few residential floors just above the Club Nokia building.
Thanks Colemonkee!

Just walked over to 717 Olympic because I happen to have my camera with me today. I'm not sure if it's unwrapping, yet - you be the judge:




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do i spy stucco?
     
     
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^ Yes, but the general hope is that those stucco portions will be covered by graphic ads.
     
     
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How's Concerto coming along, Friday?
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As far as the South Park Towers site goes, there IS tape, but there are also a few giant "at&t" logos on the site. This looks to be a mini staging area for the new logos to be placed on the SBC/Transamerica/at&t tower. Don't get your hopes up for a groundbreaking on South Park Towers anytime soon.
Concerning the AT&T logos, I was sure they would go up last saturday because I was reading from a Transamerica employee memo saying not to work on Sat. because of FAA regulations and that all the streets would be closed around the building due to the helicopter putting up the logo. Oh well, wrong again.
     
     
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How's Concerto coming along, Friday?
With all the traffic and no sidewalks around the site, I didn't even bother to risk peeking over the fence.
     
     
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SSP deleted it. Dammit.
Their server or software, or both, has become so broken down, esp on certain occasions, that I'm guessing a certain number of forumers (existing or potential) probably are giving up & soon forgetting SSP even exists. Too bad too, cuz problems or not, all the forumers from LA or the ones at least interested in DT aren't exactly a big crowd to begin with.

I've read that the capacity of many servers has gotten so overburdened that web users with exceptionally heavy usage are having their accounts removed. I guess one of them was SSP.


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As far as the South Park Towers site goes, there IS tape, but there are also a few giant "at&t" logos on the site. This looks to be a mini staging area for the new logos to be placed on the SBC/Transamerica/at&t tower. Don't get your hopes up for a groundbreaking on South Park Towers anytime soon.
Oh, well. The thought that Meruelo's proj finally was going to see the light of day was fun while it lasted----after all, it's only behind schedule anywhere from 6 months to even longer.

I did say that any new proj that breaks ground before one (or all) of the Big Three (or more) are underway (Grand Ave, parkfifth, LA central, or medallion) will be pure gravy. But finding out that the parking lot near SBS is actually being closed only so that signs can be stored on it, & then learning that the Grand Ave proj will be delayed for another 2 months makes me feel like some cold & lumpy gravy has been thrown my way.

But, again, I guess the one good thing about this is that a slooooow pace of new construction means it's less likely DT will be walloped by the problems of too much supply found in cities like miami or San diego.

So the revised wish list now is:

- LA central will be underway in the next few wks.

- Medallion will be underway in the next few wks.

- The Grand Ave proj will breakground in December (hopefully no later than 12-1-07).

- Parkfifth will have a start up around 5 to 6 months from now.

- Completion of work on Coulter-mandell bldg will occur sometime in the next several wks.

- Completion of work on the Brockman will happen at least sometime before 2007 is over.

- Opening of Roosevelt lofts & other conversion projs will take place not too long after 2007 is over.


All this waiting & wondering makes for a good endurance test.
     
     
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^ Time goes by pretty quickly. It'll be the end of 2008 before you know it, and even though the progress is incremental, it has been steady. Downtown has already become a much better place than it was even two years ago. There's momentum, projects in place, and new ones will be opening steadily over the next several years (already under construction conversions and ground-up).

I go to school in Downey now, and I was in Starbucks this morning. A couple of guys sitting near me, one of whom worked for the MTA, were talking about how Downtown is the place to be, talking about LA Live and the subway/light rail system. Some of the old-timers were talking about how they used to take the streetcars Downtown when they were kids. These people had long since moved away from the central part of the city, but you could hear the nostalgia in their voices.

I felt a little bad for listening in, but it was damn cool.
     
     
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Oh, well. The thought that Meruelo's proj finally was going to see the light of day was fun while it lasted----after all, it's only behind schedule anywhere from 6 months to even longer.
Actually, it's right on schedule:

"Southpark Towers will be a two building complex located on most of a city block between Olive Street and Grand Avenue and 11th and 12th Streets in the Southpark section of downtown Los Angeles. The first building of the complex, with the address of 1150 Grand Avenue, will be the larger of the two buildings and will contain three hundred and seventy four high rise residential units in a forty three story high rise tower. A seven story parking garage will be constructed adjacent to the building, with the top floor of the garage dedicated to tenant amenities such as a swimming pool, a tenant health club, common meeting rooms, concierge service and a common media center. The ground floor of this building will contain approximately 30,000 square feet of retail space. While each of the units will be a separate condominium unit and are being constructed to a high for-sale standard of quality, our business plan calls for them to be initially leased as rental apartment units. 1150 Grand Avenue is in the schematic design stages in advance of receiving a building permit. The second building of the complex, with the address of 336 W. 11th Street is in the conceptual design phase. We anticipate receiving our excavation permit in the third quarter of 2007 and commencing excavation work in the fourth quarter of 2007. Kajima Construction has been selected as the general contractor for this project."

Source: http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/20/203/203469/items/245950/objectives.pdf
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Interesting. Their website must be outdated, since it states that they were to break ground in early 2007. I think. It'll happen sooner or later.
     
     
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Whoa! You get the "Metroguyinla" award (metroguyinla being the forumer who has a knack for uncovering & posting otherwise hidden or unknown pics & docs on new devlpt in DT) for a great find, westsidelife. That's a really good PDF file, not just because of all the info it has on the South Pk proj----& either the pic of the 1st phase bldg & diagrams are totally new to me, or I've just forgotten seeing them posted elsewhere before-----but also cuz it has an update on Meruelo's 717 9th St proj & Union bank conversion proj.

The 3rd qtr of the yr will be ending in about 18 days, the 4th qtr starting Oct 1. Maybe edkao didn't jump the gun after all when he thought the closing of the parking lot near SBC possibly was an early sign of preparation for Meruelo's condo tower?
     
     
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Some of the old-timers were talking about how they used to take the streetcars Downtown when they were kids. These people had long since moved away from the central part of the city, but you could hear the nostalgia in their voices.
The slow, decades long decline of DT has been one of the major failings in this part of the country. Totally inexcusable. It's meant that there's been very few or almost no truly urban experiences & settings left in LA.

The remaining hoods like SaMo or manhattan bch, or pasadena or Century city, weho or Bev Hills, or the OC are OK----maybe even very nice----& all, but they're still more burban than urban. I know there's some urbanism in DTLB, but that alone isn't enough.

It's really time that DTLA start moving right to the top.

BTW, I hope your DCBID housing tour last weekend didn't make you suspect that new lofts & apts are starting to struggle in finding buyers & renters. Over the past several wks, I've heard a few radio ads for the LT lofts, & there's supposed to be a new billboard somewhere around west LA that's promoting the ralph's/market lofts proj.
     
     
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By the way, Yale Terrace in Chinatown is now leasing. Anyone? Anyone? No, didn't think so.

But seriously, it's a project on a former dirt lot (Ord/Yale streets) and will add families (midrange pricing, two-, three-, and four-bedroom apartments) to the area, where there's a huge need for it.
     
     
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Whoa! You get the "Metroguyinla" award (metroguyinla being the forumer who has a knack for uncovering & posting otherwise hidden or unknown pics & docs on new devlpt in DT) for a great find, westsidelife.
DominicanLou deserves all the credit. His post can be found here.
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