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Old Posted Sep 9, 2005, 4:23 PM
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I feel if there is any economical loss to the land owner due to height restrictions then the city needs to reimburese the land owner for the air rights and also pay into the city coffers the tax money being lost by such view restrictions.
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The next big thing to happen height wise outside of downtown will likely be around the Steiner's Ranch area. I've heard in the paper that they'd actually like to allow for the SAME density levels for that location as in downtown. So 300+ foot towers could end up happening there. This is all years away though. I think I read something about there being a rail line that would be near there also. Austin then would have a real defined "2nd" skyline.
Wow really? Any idea specifically where this is proposed? I know there is a lot of developable land in the nearby Four Points area (620/2222 intersection).... and lack of commercial lands in that booming, affluent area would seem to dictate more dense development where it can happen.

I dont know how that would fly in an environmentally sensitive area like that. Plus, there woudl be increased demand for highway/road infrastructure. However, if this is developed in a self-sustaining manner, with employment, services and all combined, then I'd be all for it. Considering the relative elevation of that area (atop the Jollyville plateau at 900'+), those 300 footers would be visible for VERY large distances.
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Ok, I did some digging and I found it. I was wrong however, it's Robinson Ranch, not Steiner Ranch. My article that I have is an Austin-American-Statesman article from March of last year. I found these below on the net.

This would of course be farther to the east, near Mopac.

Here's some stuff I found on it.

From the Austin Chronicle - This was from a ways back, in May of last year.
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-05
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Map of the area. The ranch borders Williamson County. They say if it's all built out, Austin would then become the largest city in Williamson County beating out Round Rock which is saying something since that town already is creaping up on ~85,000.


City Bets the Farm on Robinson Ranch
BY MIKE CLARK-MADISON

Once upon a time, there was a place called "between Austin and Round Rock." What's left of that place is poised to disappear – at least officially – in a couple of weeks, as the city of Austin moves forward with plans to annex the 6,000-plus-acre Robinson Ranch, a roughly diamond-shaped patch of land between Parmer Lane, FM 1325, and RR 620. The City Council is scheduled to approve, on first reading, limited-purpose annexation of Robinson Ranch at its June 10 meeting.

Right now, the ranch – still controlled by the Robinson family, which has owned it for more than a century – is mostly undeveloped. But if the vision that's guiding the Robinson Ranch annexation comes to fruition, that will change in a very big way. The ranch sits at the interchange – McNeil Junction – of the Union Pacific and Capital Metro freight rail lines, both of which have been proposed for conversion to passenger commuter rail. Moreover, two of the toll-road projects already under way – SH 45 North and the MoPac extension – likewise run right through the ranch.

So, rather than sit and watch Robinson Ranch fill up with low-density sprawl over the coming decades, the city, other regional leaders, and the family have gotten proactive. Along with annexation, the City Council is also scheduled to approve preliminary zoning for Robinson Ranch as a planned-unit development; the PUD calls for mixed-use, New Urbanist, transit-oriented development that equals – and in some cases exceeds – the densities called for in the Mueller master plan, the University Neighborhood Overlay for West Campus, and other infill efforts currently on the table. The city would proceed with full-purpose annexation as Robinson Ranch is built out, which may take 25 years, during which the project could make Austin the largest city (in both population and land area) in Williamson County. The city Zoning and Platting Commission – a little overwhelmed by the scope and size of the project – is currently reviewing the Robinson Ranch PUD case and expects to render its recommendation next week.

It's worth noting that, unlike familiar sagas of land speculation both in the urban core and on the fringe, the Robinsons themselves are not pushing this deal along. "Robinson is not a land developer, has no current plans to develop Robinson Ranch, and presently has no intention of changing the current land uses on Robinson Ranch," reads the proposed annexation and development agreement between the city and the family. "However, as the areas surrounding Robinson Ranch continue to urbanize, the parties recognize that Robinson Ranch will also become more urbanized and lose its character as a working ranch."

According to the city, which initiated formal negotiations with the Robinsons, the benefits of the deal to the family include both certainty and flexibility. Rather than risk being split up between numerous jurisdictions, the ranch will lie entirely within Austin's purview, and the agreement locks in current city development regs for at least 15 years. At the same time, the PUD agreement gives the Robinsons, or future owner/developers of parts of the ranch, a wide variety of potential uses and development rights, from which they can choose those "that make the most sense and are the most attractive to the market at the time." Other than the 30% or so of the ranch that is to be preserved as open space – mostly in wider-than-usual greenbelts along the three major creeks and several minor creeks that cross Robinson Ranch – the entire property will be zoned, within the PUD, for either "mixed-use" or "transit-oriented" development. The latter would be more intense, requiring that projects "emphasize a pedestrian-oriented environment and reinforce the use of public transportation."

It's not just the Robinsons and City Hall who've realized the potential of the ranch. Last year, the area around McNeil Junction was one of the community "test sites" selected by Envision Central Texas to bring that regional planning project's discussions about density and urbanization down to ground level. The resulting ECT concept for McNeil Junction looks rather similar to the master plan for Mueller, except without any single-family homes. Instead, medium- and high-density residential and mixed-use projects would span the acreage between the existing McNeil High School and a major transit hub and station at the junction itself. A fully commercial "employment area" would lie to the east, closer to MoPac.

The ECT vision is just an idea, but it's consistent with that project's larger regional vision of a future Central Texas that accommodates its population and economic growth within its existing land-use footprint. A more specific, and ambitious, vision for Robinson Ranch has been advocated, most notably by state Rep. Mike Krusee, whose district includes the ranch. "My vision is for tens of thousands of biomedical and biotech jobs centered around a medical school and teaching hospitals which foster private sector development," Krusee says. The powerful GOP rep – who, by all accounts, has embraced New Urbanism with the zeal of a convert – says he's been working with Austin city leaders to allow "many ... dense mixed-use developments" at the ranch, not only to create more responsible land use as urged by ECT and others, but to secure future prosperity for the region's anchor city. "Robinson Ranch is the future tax base for Austin," Krusee says. "Without its successful development, Austin runs into serious budget problems." The city's term sheet for the Robinson Ranch deal anticipates the development, if fully realized, bringing $229 million in net income to the city general fund over 25 years.

PDF file with maps and building uses.
www.envisioncentraltexas.org/ resources/McNeil_Summary.pdf


On the medical district/center that they mentioned. They had talked a few years ago about creating a medical center. I have a rendering from the newspaper that shows a campus of buildings, about five buildings topping out at 6 floors.

From the Austin Business Journal. - This was also from May of last year.
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2004/05/10/story3.html

Future of ranch in question.

Mary Alice Kaspar
Austin Business Journal Staff

Spike Robinson says his first reaction to the thought of more than 6,000 acres of his beloved Central Texas ranch being annexed by the City of Austin was "go away and leave me alone." But his attorney encouraged the landowner to keep an open mind, and talks with the city have been going well.

With the annexation process under way, Robinson says he's no more or less inclined to sell any land now than before. He adds that the annexation process ultimately might not work out, but either outcome is fine with him.

A new draft map provides insight as to how the coveted property on the northern edge of Austin might be developed if the proposed annexation plan goes through. The map was created by Austin-based Bosse & Turner and Associates Inc.

The map designates nearly 4,300 acres for either "mixed-use high density" or a "transit-oriented district."

The plan also includes about 1,785 acres of open space reserved for uses such as a greenbelt. That open space equates to nearly 30 percent of the total 6,084 acres, an amount some say is high in contrast with the ranch's more urban surroundings.

The goal is to create a land-use plan that will be valid for many years yet provide enough flexibility to respond to market demands.

Also on the map is what's already in motion: construction of the MoPac Expressway extension and State Highway 45 North, which intersect on the property.

It's those roadways that seem destined to alter the Robinson Ranch.

Take Spike Robinson's homestead, for example. Located on a hilltop, the old view was as gentle on the eyes as the Robinsons have been on the land. But that view will be changed dramatically by the roadways.

Spike Robinson says he isn't sure how he'll feel about his new view, or the related noise and light. He says might learn to live with it or move away.

The Robinson family has a policy of not selling their land -- which in its entirety spans 7,500 to 8,000 acres in both Travis and Williamson counties -- just so someone can make a buck. Their belief is that the land should be used for purposes that truly benefit the community.

Few have passed that litmus test. Those have included Abbott Laboratories Inc., Motorola Inc. and a high school.

One idea that might pass the test is a medical school in Central Texas, a proposal championed by state Reps. Mike Krusee, R-Taylor, and Jack Stick, R-Austin. Robinson says: "We're open-minded about that."

Given the Robinsons' reluctance to sell, when any development might occur is uncertain -- which presents a challenge for annexation negotiators.

Brad Robinson, Spike Robinson's son, says: "Hopefully, the [annexation] agreement would provide not absolute certainty, but some sense of certainty for planning for the future for both sides of the table."

Under state law, agreements regarding future land use can be in place for 45 years. So although the current deliberations call for the land to be voluntarily annexed, questions still remain about what happens if the property isn't built out by the end of the 45-year span.

It's a valid legal question, says the Robinsons' attorney, David Armbrust, who has known the Robinsons for 30 years.

"What's it going to look like 30 years from now? Who knows? It might be similar to today," says Armbrust, a real estate attorney and partner at Austin law firm Armbrust & Brown LLP. "I think the Robinsons are motivated to put a road map in place in the event the family decides it has become too urbanized for ranching."

Should the Robinsons ever reach that conclusion, buyers will be standing in line, real estate observers say.

"You only have to look at an aerial map to see it's a very important parcel in terms of the growth of the region," says Jeff Coddington, investment properties broker in the Austin office of Colliers Oxford Commercial.

Coddington says the Robinson Ranch has the potential to be the "Irvine Ranch of Austin." That Southern California ranch is regarded as one of the country's premier mixed-use developments.

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So about the Domain, when will this be done? I know that they said it could be up to 10 years before its all completed, but what about the already planned and approved Nieman Marcus and Macys? Anyone know?
     
     
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So about the Domain, when will this be done? I know that they said it could be up to 10 years before its all completed, but what about the already planned and approved Nieman Marcus and Macys? Anyone know?
The shopping area of The Domain that includes the Niemans and Macys is well underway and should be complete w/in the next 18 months. That shopping center is along the northwest corner of the the larger "Domain" tract, which takes up the entire area between Mopac, Braker Lane, Burnet Road and Duval Rd. So i thinkt hey are saying it will take up to 10 years before the entire area of land is developed (beyond the current shopping center project)... Thats the old IBM manufacturing plant and campus.
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Ok, I did some digging and I found it. I was wrong however, it's Robinson Ranch, not Steiner Ranch. My article that I have is an Austin-American-Statesman article from March of last year. I found these below on the net.
AHHH... Ok, Robinson Ranch...That definitely makes sense. Austin did a very wise thing by annexing the 'ranch' and plotting out the course of planning in the area. This will keep austin economically viable for some years to come. The more density the better. This area will essentially become the geographic center of population for metro Austin in years to come, as the growth continues northward toward and well beyond Georgetown.
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Ya, I went to McNeil high school for the last 4 years and we always talked about how stubborn that family was cause for a long time they refused to work with the city on it, hence why they have to annex it I guess. The article did say the family was working with them now which is odd, who knows maybe they changed their mind. I remember that when the RRISD performing arts center (which is the most advanced hs pac in the state, gotta show my school spirit, lol) was built right next to McNeil it was a huge deal cause the family owned the land and the school had to do alot of bribing im sure to get it. Anyway, the point is we all have thought it was dumb that there was this huge area of nothingness in the middle of the city, so im happy its finally gonna be developed.
     
     
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Height Battle over 36 story Spring Condo Tower

Uh oh..........NIMBY ALERT! Article from today's Austin American-Statesman:

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/thursday/news_3492e1a5b3b0419300bb.html

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Fight brewing over downtown high-rise

Opponents question 36-story condo tower; Austin zoning commission postpones vote

By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Thursday, September 15, 2005

A classic Austin development battle is brewing on the western edge of downtown. The target: plans for a 36-story condominium tower on Third Street a block east of Lamar Boulevard.

The outcome could affect future residential projects downtown, which is one of the region's fastest-growing neighborhoods. Of 13 new projects in the pipeline, most are 18 stories or more as developers seek to bring more density to the center of the city.

But the Old West Austin Neighborhood Association, representing residents who live west of Lamar, wants an effective moratorium on high-rises until the city completes a comprehensive downtown plan, a process that could take 18 months or more.

"There is no need to rush projects to 'beat' the plan," said Steve Colburn, zoning chairman of the group. "If we allow this, the city surely will suffer."

The project, called Spring, needs a zoning variance because city rules in downtown's western perimeter limit buildings to 120 feet, the height of Whole Foods Market Inc.'s nearby headquarters.

The Zoning and Platting Commission has postponed a vote on Spring and appointed a five-member subcommittee to take a look at what's happening downtown. The recommendations, due by Nov. 1, could have ramifications for some other downtown high-rises, including how many get built, where and how high they are allowed to be.

Betty Baker, who chairs the nine-member commission, said members and citizens have a lot of questions about the project.

Spring will be "a single candle on a birthday cake," Baker said. "But the question is, how many candles are we going to have?"

To allow such a dense development "on what is really the boundary of a neighborhood to me is a hard decision," Baker said. "It's going to take very close scrutiny by me and I'm sure by the other commissioners. This is one giant step."

Separately, the city is launching a longer-term effort to create a comprehensive plan for downtown, to set out guidelines that could include where high-rises would be allowed.

It's none too soon: Seven residential or mixed-use projects have been completed in the past five years, with 12 more in the pipeline and developers scouting for more sites. Most of the new projects will be under way or completed by the time a comprehensive plan is done.

The City Council has the final say on zoning for Spring, and several members already have said they like the project because it represents the kind of dense development civic leaders and citizens have said they want and that would reduce sprawl.

Two years ago, the 12,000 residents who participated in Envision Central Texas, a community planning initiative, strongly supported the idea of pockets of density, with taller buildings in the urban core.

Ted Siff, president of the Old Austin Neighborhood Association, which represents about 400 households east of Lamar between Cesar Chavez and 15th streets, called Spring "the pinnacle of good planning for urban neighborhoods."

"Everyone I've talked to in our group is extremely excited about the potential of this project," Siff said.

The steering committee of the Downtown Austin Neighborhood Association also has voted to support the project, said Andrew Clements, the group's president.

Perry Lorenz, one of Spring's developers, say their plan -- a tall building on less than three-fourths of an acre -- offers "tremendous economies of scale" that allow lower prices, putting the units within reach of more middle-income buyers.

Prices for the 220 units will range from about $200,000 to $400,000, below what many other downtown projects go for.

"The barrier to getting a downtown condo has been three things: price, price and price," Lorenz said. "By spreading the cost of the land over more units, the land cost per unit is less."

But Monday night, at the first meeting of the zoning subcommittee, representatives from the Old West Austin Neighborhood Association and a few individuals raised objections.

Colburn said his group wants the city to take a breather before it signs off on any more high-rises. The group doesn't oppose high-rises per se, he said, but Spring's location,near the already congested intersection of Lamar and Sixth, and timing, before an overall plan is ready, are wrong.

"If you spot-zone outside that plan, and the pressures are intense to do so, there won't be much space left to be planned," Colburn said.

Laurie Snedden, who lives near Rainey Street, on the far east side of downtown, said she is appalled that developers would consider such a building so close to Town Lake.

"I want to experience Town Lake as a park and see the sky about the buildings," Snedden said. "A giant 40-story obelisk will block my view," Snedden said.

Developers say Spring will be farther from Town Lake than many Congress Avenue office buildings and won't be imposing on the skyline. The design will be modeled after the so-called point towers, the slender-profile high-rises that fill the skyline in Vancouver, British Columbia.

Robert Barnstone, one of the developers, often offers Vancouver as a model for the kind of density Austin should emulate.

Baker said that although a single tower wouldn't block views, "If you put sufficient numbers around and along together, you're going to block something," she said.

The chairwoman said she doesn't yet know how she'll vote and noted that the commission's recommendation to the council will be only advisory.

"We may look at adjustments on the height," she said. "I think there may be alternatives that we'll discuss that may be favorably reviewed." Commissioner John Donisi said he is generally supportive of the project, although he said issues on height and Capitol view restrictions may need to be addressed.

"That said, I think it is important as a community to look for housing options that are responsive to the demand for downtown living, more affordable and compatible with existing and future planned uses," Donisi said. "If we can decrease the number of persons and vehicles commuting daily to and from downtown, that would also be a plus."

Barnstone said he's hopeful the project will win zoning approval.

"It is a new concept for Austin definitely, and it is often difficult to picture something that hasn't existed here before," Barnstone said. "Hopefully, they will get comfortable with the idea that tall residential buildings downtown pay big dividends for everyone."

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I wouldn't be too concerned... The ZAP Committee serves only in an advisory capasity. The City Council has the actual/final say on zoning variances and this one (as for most of the others proposals) should pass. There is too much to loose if the City baulks on these types of development (most importantly in terms of property taxation loss).

The Old West Austin Neighborhood Association has been a vocal minority for many years. Austin is growing and no matter how big it gets, there will always be someone who will fight progress and growth. In other words, now matter how far Downtown Austin expands outward, there will always be someones home next to a newly proposed skyscraper.

These were people who spearheaded the "Smart Growth Initiative" in the 90's. Now they're fighting it???

"Keep Austin Weird" I guess...
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My quick take on the subject of keeping certain neighborhoods a certain height (in general... not necessarily about Austin). I love tall buildings. I also love nice neighborhoods. The two often do not mix, but sometimes they do if they're done right. Some of the best neighborhoods in Manhattan (a place full of skyscrapers) are Greenwich Village and Hell's Kitchen. Both are old neighborhoods which have a limit on height and have designated most of the buildings in the niehgborhoods as historical. These areas retain a great vibe, they have shops, restaurants, bars, etc., and people want to hang out there. And guess what... they don't have tall buildings.
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I wish San Antonio would start getting smart like this...the sprawl here in my Beautiful SA is becoming overtly disgusting....

ie-Pulte Home's newest POS development Encino Ridge. Thanks too Pulte, several Acres of land were cleared of BEAUTIFUL live Oaks (and when I say cleared, I mean completely gone) and in their place.......ugly box homes with no architectural significance....all thanks to them being exempt on this land from new laws pertaining to existing trees, since they bought the land back in the 90's. I wanted to puke and cry at the same time when I saw what they had done....Its just sick.

This development is right across from Washington Mutual's new regional center in Stone Oak.

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My quick take on the subject of keeping certain neighborhoods a certain height (in general... not necessarily about Austin). I love tall buildings. I also love nice neighborhoods. The two often do not mix, but sometimes they do if they're done right. Some of the best neighborhoods in Manhattan (a place full of skyscrapers) are Greenwich Village and Hell's Kitchen. Both are old neighborhoods which have a limit on height and have designated most of the buildings in the niehgborhoods as historical. These areas retain a great vibe, they have shops, restaurants, bars, etc., and people want to hang out there. And guess what... they don't have tall buildings.
Don't get me wrong...I completely agree with your comments. However, these buildings are being proposed for "downtown" and not in their neighborhood. Their main concerns are traffic and view (of downtown and the State Capitol).

I rather like the Castle Hill, West Lynn and Clarksville neighborhoods (which compose most of the Old West Austin Neighborhood Assoc.)! I just think they need to realize that the city is growing and they're going to have to live with that fact. These projects are not calling for the destruction of homes in their "backyards." But, rather, replacing unused warehouses with multi-family housing.
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I kinda remember the area. It's near the old Waterloo Records, right? The area between that and downtown proper seems like a fine location to build up.
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I kinda remember the area. It's near the old Waterloo Records, right? The area between that and downtown proper seems like a fine location to build up.
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I really do believe these buildings will be built. Downtown really does need the density, and Austin has plenty of nice, historical neighborhoods in many parts other than here. This area is, like it was said before, downtown, downtown is for skyscrapers not houses, just my take. I mean, why would you waste that land on a building able to house maybe 4 or 5, when you could build one that can house hundreds? So I really hope this accociation will not effect the councils vote. We'll just have to see I guess.
     
     
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I really do believe these buildings will be built. Downtown really does need the density, and Austin has plenty of nice, historical neighborhoods in many parts other than here. This area is, like it was said before, downtown, downtown is for skyscrapers not houses, just my take. I mean, why would you waste that land on a building able to house maybe 4 or 5, when you could build one that can house hundreds? So I really hope this accociation will not effect the councils vote. We'll just have to see I guess.
     
     
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I really do believe these buildings will be built. Downtown really does need the density, and Austin has plenty of nice, historical neighborhoods in many parts other than here. This area is, like it was said before, downtown, downtown is for skyscrapers not houses, just my take. I mean, why would you waste that land on a building able to house maybe 4 or 5, when you could build one that can house hundreds? So I really hope this accociation will not effect the councils vote. We'll just have to see I guess.
     
     
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I'm all for protecting neighborhoods, which is why I would not support any developer planting a 30 story highrise in the middle of Clarksville, Hyde Park, Tarrytown, or any other Austin neighborhood. And I support the neighborhood associations working to protect their neighborhoods from botched developments (though in looking over a few of Austin neighborhoods, I think they could use a little more "neighborhood pride"). But Spring is not being built in Clarksville, but rather on the east side of Lamar. Any individual buying or living in neighborhoods that border the inner city section is going to have face up to the fact that development will go on there, (Smart Growth, thank you), and if they don't like it, move to Dripping Springs, or at least a few blocks west of Lamar.

Smart Growth is all about density, density, density! And you're not going to get that by slapping up 3 story condo buildings in downtown (I'm still pissed about Amli taking one whole city block in the heart of the city to build only a 7 story apartment building... and an ugly one, at that.)

The point is, there has to be a border where the city doesn't infringe upon the neighborhood, and the neighborhood loses its jurisdiction over the city. Lamar seems to makes perfect sense. There's still plenty of areas to develop east of Lamar, so there's no reason for the western neighborhoods to feel threatened.

Oh, and JackinNYC, I agree with you about protecting the integrity of the neighborhoods, as you said in your example of The Village, and Hell's Kitchen, by keeping highrises out. But there are still borders where those neighborhoods give way to highrises.

Incidentally, when I visit Manhattan, I always stay with friends who live in a Hell's Kitchen apartment... on the 28th floor.
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I posted this over at the Austin Forum at http://austinforum.net/

Still, I used GoogleEarth and plotted the distances from the building's future site to Lamar Boulevard and to Town Lake here's what I got.


It'll be around 240 feet from Lamar Boulevard, give or take a few feet. Not knowing exactly the boundry lines of Spring's footprint I had to roughly guess that it would be a little less than half the block's width. This is going be a very narrow tower.

From Town Lake I came up with 1,288.45 feet. So the building will be around a quarter of a mile north of the river. Basically the building will sit two to three times as far from the river as the river is wide. Town Lake through downtown on average is between 500 and 700 feet wide.

As the article mentioned other downtown office buildings are even closer to the river. Here's what I found on those.

100 Congress is - 332 feet from the river.

One Congress Plaza is - 480 feet from the river at it's nearest point, at it's farest point it is around 600 feet from the river. The building sits at an angle on it's block, (duh).

San Jacinto Center - is the closest of all at just 270 feet from the river. AND, the Four Seasons Hotel, which sits even further south of San Jacinto Center is even closer to the river at just 160 feet at it's nearest point. It's much shorter though, only around 135 to 140 feet tall compared to the other three towers near the river which are all over 300 feet tall. The tallest, One Congress Plaza is 391 feet tall, just 9 feet shorter than Spring's proposed height.

Also, with GoogleEarth you can see the elevations above sea level for a piece of land. The Spring tower's location ranges in elevations between 456 feet above sea level to 463 feet above sea level. For comparison, the Frost Bank Tower sits at 482 feet above sea level, which makes it's block around 20 feet higher than Spring's. Spring's block sits at 29 feet higher above the river. For comparison, 100 Congress, One Congress Plaza and San Jacinto Center all sit at 469 feet above sea level. Higher than Spring. So even though Spring will technically be taller than One Congress Plaza by 9 feet. Spring's block sits at 460 feet above sea level, 9 feet lower than One Congress Plaza's. So both buildings when you view them from a distance, will actually appear virtually the same in height on the skyline.

I love GoogleEarth.
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