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Old Posted Jul 28, 2026, 11:13 PM
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Despite Maloney voting in favour of the Villages Plan, OneCity officially opposed it as well. Another reason I'm disappointed in this iteration of OneCity.

https://www.onecityvancouver.ca/villages_plan

The Vancouver Liberals also officially opposed it as well.

https://www.vancouverliberals.com/villages_plan_letter

Believe it or not, TEAM also opposed the plan.

https://www.voteteam.ca/post/team-for-a-...ak-attack-on-residents-and-their-neighbo

It seems there isn't a single serious party running in October that is in support of the plan. Methinks the election is too tight for anyone to stick their neck out.
OneCity is now out with a statement that is pretty much pro-Villages (but done their way). It seems they will campaign on it, in a way.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2026, 2:34 AM
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Once again, upzoning to give more freedom to homeowners like you and I does not make developments appear out of the blue. All it does is allow us the opportunity to respond to market forces and develop when the time is right. I can explain this to you as many times as you would like.
All it does is inflate SFH prices so that what offshore money didn’t drive out of reach, developers will.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2026, 6:02 AM
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^So don't allow densification because it will cause speculation making prices go up, and then do what? Certainly freezing the city in time will make prices go up just as much since there will be a fixed supply for increasing demand. But in that case it will cause prices to go up for everything, not just SFHs

Maybe we have to stop viewing SFHs in Vancouver as a benchmark for affordability and start focusing on the land price and maximizing the housing on underutilized land based on that price. We live in a constrained region with a growing population, nothing will ever make SFHs affordable ever again, barring a huge population crash.
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All it does is inflate SFH prices so that what offshore money didn’t drive out of reach, developers will.
Sounds like there's to much demand
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Sounds like there's to much demand
Almost like Vancouver is a beautiful city that a lot of people want to move to and limited land to build on. There are much better solutions to housing prices than trying to lower demand.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2026, 5:38 PM
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SFHs north of 41st St. should all be rezoned. Why are we still protecting these in the inner city? No regular human can afford them due to how expensive the land is. Only corporations and investment firms can buy them up reliably, so what's the point of acting like they're for families? Most of them are subdivided into three or four units anyway.

Trying to keep SFHs a thing in north and central Vancouver is ridiculous. The prices will never, ever be anywhere close to reasonable for people who aren't extremely wealthy.

Designate heritage homes for commercial purposes like restaurants or retail, and use the rest of the land that these houses sit on for low, mid and high-rise developments. Anything else is counterproductive to housing affordability in that area. Rezoning should have started 20 years ago.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2026, 5:56 PM
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SFHs north of 41st St. should all be rezoned. Why are we still protecting these in the inner city? No regular human can afford them due to how expensive the land is. Only corporations and investment firms can buy them up reliably, so what's the point of acting like they're for families? Most of them are subdivided into three or four units anyway.

Trying to keep SFHs a thing in north and central Vancouver is ridiculous. The prices will never, ever be anywhere close to reasonable for people who aren't extremely wealthy.

Designate heritage homes for commercial purposes like restaurants or retail, and use the rest of the land that these houses sit on for low, mid and high-rise developments. Anything else is counterproductive to housing affordability in that area. Rezoning should have started 20 years ago.
How does Arbutus Ridge exist in such a prominent, central location? Every time I go south of 16th (rarely) in that area I'm appalled. We just teleported a chunk of Surrey into central Vancouver? And now we are protecting it from change? This municipal government just has to go, what a lack of vision. Approve 300m+ tall towers downtown one day, protect centrally located McMansions on large lots the next. Bizarre version of a 'city'.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2026, 6:14 PM
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Sounds like there's to much demand
It might even sound like there's not enough supply.

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SFHs north of 41st St. should all be rezoned. Why are we still protecting these in the inner city? No regular human can afford them due to how expensive the land is. Only corporations and investment firms can buy them up reliably, so what's the point of acting like they're for families? Most of them are subdivided into three or four units anyway.
If you keep up this divisive rhetoric, you're going to make Pete Fry in his Strathcona SFH cry. Are you trying to make Pete Fry cry? Are you trying to destroy the historic neighbourhood of Strathcona like Hogan's Alley before it!? :'(

IMO I agree, the Norquay Village Plan has been a complete success as far as I can tell, and should be expanded city-wide.
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Almost like Vancouver is a beautiful city that a lot of people want to move to and limited land to build on. There are much better solutions to housing prices than trying to lower demand.
Like allowing people to build houses!
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Almost like Vancouver is a beautiful city that a lot of people want to move to and limited land to build on. There are much better solutions to housing prices than trying to lower demand.
Why not lower demand? Only let in those with skills we absolutely need. No more "students and housewives".
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Why not lower demand? Only let in those with skills we absolutely need. No more "students and housewives".
We still would have the unmet demand of young, future, and currently underhoused Canadians, not to mention the PRs we do let in with skills. Still need a lot more housing than we are building right now.
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Can't it be both? More homes and less grifters would be nice.
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Can't it be both? More homes and less grifters would be nice.
It can absolutely be both. It's only the functionally insane that genuinely believe that the sole solution to housing affordability for young Canadian families is to tamp down purchasing from foreigners and non-citizens.
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We still would have the unmet demand of young, future, and currently underhoused Canadians, not to mention the PRs we do let in with skills. Still need a lot more housing than we are building right now.
No you don't understand, these people think we can actually just depopulate Vancouver (the only logical implication of "reduced demand"). We haven't even tried death camps yet!
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It can absolutely be both. It's only the functionally insane that genuinely believe that the sole solution to housing affordability for young Canadian families is to tamp down purchasing from foreigners and non-citizens.
It's self servingly naive as it allows people to pretend they aren't part of the problem when they fight densification and new housing.

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The lone 'Yes' vote for the Villages plan.

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It can absolutely be both. It's only the functionally insane that genuinely believe that the sole solution to housing affordability for young Canadian families is to tamp down purchasing from foreigners and non-citizens.
It's not the sole solution but is one that too many forumers cavalierly try to dismiss. For example, nobody commented when I linked this article of one real estate debacle that is tied to the purchase "several" West Side mansions and condos purchased by one family. You only see the ones that hit the headlines for legal reasons, not the similar purchases that never make the news. How much of our limited land supply do "several West Side mansions" occupy?

If we truly have so much unmet demand why do we have so many unsold units? Do people really think developers are going to rush out and build like crazy just because the Villages plan was passed and watch prices fall? They'll jut sit on the land as usual until they think that can sell for the the old, exorbitant prices. Council would have been better off starting with one or two areas that are nearly there, like West Point Grey and Dunbar, so people could see how these areas would work rather than propose a blanket policy for the whole city, all at once.
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It's not the sole solution but is one that too many forumers cavalierly try to dismiss. For example, nobody commented when I linked this article of one real estate debacle that is tied to the purchase "several" West Side mansions and condos purchased by one family. You only see the ones that hit the headlines for legal reasons, not the similar purchases that never make the news. How much of our limited land supply do "several West Side mansions" occupy?

If we truly have so much unmet demand why do we have so many unsold units? Do people really think developers are going to rush out and build like crazy just because the Villages plan was passed and watch prices fall? They'll jut sit on the land as usual until they think that can sell for the the old, exorbitant prices. Council would have been better off starting with one or two areas that are nearly there, like West Point Grey and Dunbar, so people could see how these areas would work rather than propose a blanket policy for the whole city, all at once.
Oh, to be clear, I do think foreign demand played a role, and I wouldn't claim it's a negligible force now. Yes, there are some forumers that would perhaps sweep this under a rug.

I think if condos are going unsold it's because they're small and unpleasant to live in, a general sentiment that the NIMBY crowd also holds. And they're not off the mark. It's also crucial that we name that the investor class is not exclusively limited to foreign capital. Many Canadian citizens - already wealthy enough to own one property - have leveraged their assets to purchase more properties (obviously; the financialization of real estate in Canada's economy isn't new here). So it follows that these empty condos you speak of, which do exist (albeit nowhere near as bad as it is currently in Toronto), are empty not just from an absence of foreign capital, but also perhaps an absence of domestic capital, where local investors no longer see them as a sure bet.

All of that does not rule out that there can still be plenty of demand from Canadian young people + families who actually need housing.

My earlier comment was referring to the absolutists. Not the old fogeys in Point Grey/Kits/etc that are truly against change (to varying degrees of conscious acknowledgement), but rather the crowd of the comfortably housed that purports to have a huge issue with affordability, but insists that the only reason prices are high is because our loose real estate regulations and permissive federal immigration policy has allowed too many foreigners to sweep up our properties. Publicly express your enthusiasm for 6 story multiplexes in SFH territory? You're a developer shill, and you probably blow Ian Gillespie in your spare time.

These are the functionally insane. They were the toxic regulars on Twitter in the mid to late 2010s, and getting exposed to that day after day honestly led me to mute anything to do with Vancouver politics and city planning, long before I gave up on Twitter entirely.
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