NEW YORK | 80 South Street | 1,436 FT | 113 FLOORS

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by DCReid

That side of the downtown waterfront already has three fat buildings, which in my opinion, detract from the skyline. I don't think it needs another, but I would tend to agree that that several parcels should be combined for a larger footprint. I also agree that a taller building than 1 WTC would not look great here, and I think that is wishful thinking anyway.

Wishful thinking that a developer would propose that in NYC ofc, but not wishful thinking that it could actually go up on this site. The site could easily accommodate a tower several hundred feet taller than 1 WTC's roof without any alterations from the current status. Now add more air rights, a spire, architectural crowns, there's a lot of ways to get there.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by MAC123

Why would you ever wanna see an 800 fter here? It would literally disappear.

Because I'm not a height stroker. And a sub-1000' tower here would aid in a graceful downtown skyline in a way that something much taller, throwing off its balance, would not. And I care much more about that than a single building.

[Zapatan]

Height isn't everything but something 1,250+ would make a real impact here.

[TREPYE]

Originally Posted by SD_Phil

Reminds me, vaguely, of the Calatrava design:

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A blast from the past.

Oh, what could have been. Yeah it was perhaps a little to aristocratic, but man it would been an amazing visual addition to the DT skyline.

If only Schiame could have pulled this off.....

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I completely agree. The adjacent lots leading to John Street also should be incorporated into this project.


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Everything directly north of this site is in the historic district, including that parking lot. That’s why the development rights were assembled here. That’s why anything built here will be so tall. Even combining with the failed 1 Seaport development would yield something as tall, since that sight comes with its own development rights.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Everything directly north of this site is in the historic district, including that parking lot. That’s why the development rights were assembled here. That’s why anything built here will be so tall. Even combining with the failed 1 Seaport development would yield something as tall, since that sight comes with its own development rights.

Thanks

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[streetscaper]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Because I'm not a height stroker. And a sub-1000' tower here would aid in a graceful downtown skyline in a way that something much taller, throwing off its balance, would not. And I care much more about that than a single building.

absolutely agree

[NYguy]

Here's a better look at the site in relation to the historic district. You can see the "crater" were 250 Water Street will rise (eventually).
That would have been a great addition at it's full height, but of course the NIMBYs sank it.



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80 South Street, however, will rise outside of the historic district. It will be an as-of-right mixed-use tower, with none of the NIMBY shenanigans.