Canadian Airport Thread II

[msmariner]

Been trying to book flights from AMS to YYC this summer. Prices with KLM (even WS thru YHZ) are thru the roof. Tells me demand is quite high. There was talk the KLM was looking at adding another flight to YYC. What are the odds of that happening still (or is it too late?)

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by msmariner

Been trying to book flights from AMS to YYC this summer. Prices with KLM (even WS thru YHZ) are thru the roof. Tells me demand is quite high. There was talk the KLM was looking at adding another flight to YYC. What are the odds of that happening still (or is it too late?)

KLM station manager mentioned back in I wanna say December they were expecting an extra 3x weekly this summer. The other flight arrives around 1600 and departs at around 1800.

But given it hasn’t been opened for booking yet, it’s likely plans have changed since.

[Dominion301]

Another transborder route getting the chop: YUL-SEA with AC. No longer bookable for this summer.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Another transborder route getting the chop: YUL-SEA with AC. No longer bookable for this summer.

Sad to see that one go. Hopefully it will return once Canada-US relations bounce back.

In other news, AC is adding YUL-GDL next summer. 3x weekly A220. The aircraft will RON in GDL, and is optimally timed for connections to/from Europe.

YUL-CUN, YYZ-MTY and YVR-MEX/PVR see increases as well.

https://www.aircanada.com/media/air-...versification/

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

^ Posted this back in August. Most of the new winter routes for W26 were already announced when I had posted the numbers back in August. So the below numbers include the new routes that were announced for S26 between then and now. In the list, YYZ is 1 shy of 200, but the list doesn't include Tirana, which TS just announced, so with the launch of that route, YYZ now has 200 destinations. Pretty impressive stuff.

Source: flightconnections.com

YYZ - 199 destinations (32 domestic) / 71 countries (+7 destinations, +3 countries)
YUL - 168 destinations (34 domestic) / 51 countries (+6 destinations)
YVR - 120 destinations (45 domestic) / 24 countries (-1 destination and country)
YYC - 108 destinations (40 domestic) / 20 countries (+1 destination)
YEG - 52 destinations (27 domestic) / 7 countries (+1 country)
YHZ - 52 destinations (17 domestic) / 19 countries (+4 destinations, +3 countries)
YOW - 45 destinations (19 domestic) / 10 countries (+4 destinations)
YWG - 43 destinations (22 domestic) / 7 countries (+2 destinations, +1 country)

^ Posted this back in December.

here is the updated list, based on what's been added/removed since then. Reminder these are number of non stop destinations.

Source: flightconnections.com

YYZ - 199 destinations (31 domestic) / 73 countries (+2 countries)
YUL - 170 destinations (35 domestic) / 53 countries (+2 destinations, +2 countries)
YVR - 122 destinations (45 domestic) / 25 countries (+2 destinations, +1 country)
YYC - 112 destinations (43 domestic) / 22 countries (+4 destinations, +2 countries)
YEG - 55 destinations (30 domestic) / 7 countries (+3 destinations)
YHZ - 52 destinations (17 domestic) / 19 countries (No change)
YOW - 45 destinations (21 domestic) / 10 countries (No change)
YWG - 41 destinations (23 domestic) / 6 countries (-2 destinations, -1 country)

Having a quick look at the route maps in question:

In the case of YYZ, even with the additions of UIO and TIA, which are in the number above, they are still at only 199.

In the case of YUL, the numbers include the recent cancelation of SEA, the addition of UIO and also a one time charter flight by TS to ZAG next June.

In the case of YYC, the numbers include the recent cancelation of RDU, and the addition of GRU and AUH.

In the case of YVR, the numbers include non stops to VIE and CCU, even though those aren't available for sale to passengers, and are fuel stops only.

The stop in VIE operates until Feb 28.
From March 1 to 28, it switches to CCU.
From March 29, it's scheduled as a non stop to DEL, so all three destinations are counted as non stop options out of YVR.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Sad to see that one go. Hopefully it will return once Canada-US relations bounce back.

.....

Such an optimist ...

[RomanR27]

Surprised YOW isn't +2 with Porter announcing YQG and YLW. I assume YSB is already counted there from Propair.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

Surprised YOW isn't +2 with Porter announcing YQG and YLW. I assume YSB is already counted there from Propair.

Domestic is +2 with those two (Went from 19 to 21).You lost 2 international routes it seems like, CCC and SNU.

And yes, YSB was already counted with Propair.

[samuelx88]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

^ Posted this back in December.

here is the updated list, based on what's been added/removed since then. Reminder these are number of non stop destinations.

Source: flightconnections.com

YYZ - 199 destinations (31 domestic) / 73 countries (+2 countries)
YUL - 170 destinations (35 domestic) / 53 countries (+2 destinations, +2 countries)
YVR - 122 destinations (45 domestic) / 25 countries (+2 destinations, +1 country)
YYC - 112 destinations (43 domestic) / 22 countries (+4 destinations, +2 countries)
YEG - 55 destinations (30 domestic) / 7 countries (+3 destinations)
YHZ - 52 destinations (17 domestic) / 19 countries (No change)
YOW - 45 destinations (21 domestic) / 10 countries (No change)
YWG - 41 destinations (23 domestic) / 6 countries (-2 destinations, -1 country)

Quebec should be on that list as well now that it oversteps YWG's destinations count:

YQB - 42 destinations (17 domestic) / 8 countries

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by samuelx88

Quebec should be on that list as well now that it oversteps YWG's destinations count:

YQB - 42 destinations (17 domestic) / 8 countries

I compile the list for the 8 busiest airports in the country. Sadly, YQB isn't part of the group.

Also, YQB's overtake of YWG will be short lived. YWG has zero Cuba destinations in their total. YQB still has 4.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Domestic is +2 with those two (Went from 19 to 21).You lost 2 international routes it seems like, CCC and SNU.

And yes, YSB was already counted with Propair.

You can add +1 for YOW as Porter just announced summer seasonal YOW-YDF. However, YOW also lost two other Cuba routes to VRA and HOG:

PD 371 YOW-YDF 2050-0040 X26
PD 368 YDF-YOW 0630-0735 X37

Also adding YYZ-AUS 5x weekly and moving YTZ-MDW to ORD to connect to AA.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...erican-Network

Won't every airport (at least YWG & points east) see a decrease as all Cuba routes get suspended?

EDIT:

Here's the schedule for the two transborder routes:

YYZ-AUS (eff 21MAY26):

PD 627 YYZ-AUS 1345-1615 X36 (ops 147 21MAY26-07JUN26, ops 1457 08JUN26-28JUN26)
PD 628 AUS-YYZ 1715-2140 X36 (ops 147 21MAY26-07JUN26, ops 1457 08JUN26-28JUN26)

YTZ-ORD (eff 01SEP26):

PD 2703 1005-1100 D
PD 2705 1340-1435 D
PD 2709 2040-2135 X6

ORD-YTZ
PD 2702 0700-0940 X7 (eff 02SEP26)
PD 2704 1145-1425 D
PD 2706 1520-1800 D

[MountainView]

YYZ-AUS is very interesting. I wonder if there is a lot of tech traffic on a route like this?

AUS also seems like a hip and cool place to go visit, which sort of aligns with Porter's mantra.

Thought we might see DFW as their first Texas destination with the hookup to AA. But AA does serve the route 2x daily, with AC 1x as well.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by MountainView

YYZ-AUS is very interesting. I wonder if there is a lot of tech traffic on a route like this?

AUS also seems like a hip and cool place to go visit, which sort of aligns with Porter's mantra.

Thought we might see DFW as their first Texas destination with the hookup to AA. But AA does serve the route 2x daily, with AC 1x as well.

Austin is actually a city I would like to visit. It's too bad the Mango Mussolini is still in office.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Austin is actually a city I would like to visit. It's too bad the Mango Mussolini is still in office.

Then this article that popped into my feed today may be for you!

How to have the perfect weekend in Austin, Texas

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...-b1270944.html

[jamincan]

I'm a little bit surprised that Porter is starting a YOW-YDF flight. YUL and YYZ make sense as they are major hubs, but I would guess that YOW is more O&D traffic which can't be that strong between Ottawa and the west coast of NL.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I'm a little bit surprised that Porter is starting a YOW-YDF flight. YUL and YYZ make sense as they are major hubs, but I would guess that YOW is more O&D traffic which can't be that strong between Ottawa and the west coast of NL.

I think I Ottawa (as a minor Porter hub) is starting to reach critical mass where they have enough flights to start being a reasonable way to connect. I would bet more than half of this flight will be connections from other places in Canada (and the US).

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

I think I Ottawa (as a minor Porter hub) is starting to reach critical mass where they have enough flights to start being a reasonable way to connect. I would bet more than half of this flight will be connections from other places in Canada (and the US).

Indeed, this post from the YOW thread outlines the numerous connecting opportunities.

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I'm a little bit surprised that Porter is starting a YOW-YDF flight. YUL and YYZ make sense as they are major hubs, but I would guess that YOW is more O&D traffic which can't be that strong between Ottawa and the west coast of NL.

YUL is not a hub for PD. PD’s main hubs are YTZ, YYZ, and YOW. Expect more routes in the future mainly out of those 3 airports with a dabble of point-to-point from other places. You’re about to see even more routes out of YOW that “don’t make sense” according to the skeptics. I was hoping that AF’s success would put these opinions about YOW to rest once and for all but clearly not.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I'm a little bit surprised that Porter is starting a YOW-YDF flight. YUL and YYZ make sense as they are major hubs, but I would guess that YOW is more O&D traffic which can't be that strong between Ottawa and the west coast of NL.

Newfoundland has very strong seasonal VFR traffic. That's one of the reasons why communities such as Gander and Deer Lake can support flights to Toronto, Montreal and Calgary (for YDF). Good on Porter to try to capture some of that business with YOW-YDF.

[Base]

Nice piece of widebody news with Westjet converting a half dozen Max 10 orders into 2 more Dreamliners on order.

https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/...-for-two-787-9