Poll: should the CFL move goal posts to the end dead line as in the NFL ?

[northernlights99]

Originally Posted by EpicPonyTime

I do, however, see the idiocy of having a short field in a stadium that’s designed for a longer one. Check out all the unsold seats in the far endzone. At least in Edmonton that’s only going to affect the luxury boxes and alumni, I guess?

Obviously not old enough to remember the 1984 Olympics, the L.A. Memorial Coliseum was designed to accommodate the 400 meter running track for the 1932 Summer Olympics.

As was Commonwealth Stadium for the 1978 Games and Olympic Stadium for 1976. Molson Stadium at Mcgill I assume is a 400 meter track.

So the seats are set back. So they built SoFi Stadium as Football specific.

[EpicPonyTime]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Obviously not old enough to remember the 1984 Olympics, the L.A. Memorial Coliseum was designed to accommodate the 400 meter running track for the 1932 Summer Olympics.

As was Commonwealth Stadium for the 1978 Games and Olympic Stadium for 1976.

So the seats are set back. So they built SoFi Stadium.

Not sure I understand the meaning of your response. Are you suggesting the solution to this logistical issue is that the Elks should simply build a new stadium?

[Hawrylyshyn]

Originally Posted by elly63

I'm curious as to where all the people who voted in this poll were instead of posting in the CFL thread over the years. It might have been a more popular thread had they been posting there. Considering the AI related posts lately, the whole thing makes me suspicious.

Aka: "An online poll isn't showing the results I wanted, therefore it MUST be fake/bots!"

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Hawrylyshyn

Aka: "An online poll isn't showing the results I wanted, therefore it MUST be fake/bots!"

As usual you are wrong. I could care less about the results, the rule changes are a fait accompli. What I question are the number of people who voted and how many of them were never around the CFL forum ie NFL fans

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Hawrylyshyn

Aka: "An online poll isn't showing the results I wanted, therefore it MUST be fake/bots!"

Spot on

[elly63]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

I still think it's a shame the XFL-CFL merger that was floated during covid never happened

Nuf ced

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by elly63

Nuf ced

I stand behind that… could have continued to call it the CFL too, but rename it the Continental Foofball League lol

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

I think it’s too bad the CFL/XFL merger didn’t happen… they had quite a colorful ball.

That would have killed off the CFL. I assume you are talking about when Vince McMahon attempted to buy the CFL unsuccessfully around 1999-2000, and created his own league as a result (which was terrible).

The irony of the XFL, is that it came into existence at a time when Ted Turner floated the idea of creating his own football league, that would have been shown on his networks (TBS, TNT, etc.). McMahon had become so obsessed with Turner (probably due to Turner's wrestling promotion WCW stealing away the WWE's top wrestlers), that he decided to "beat Turner to the punch," even though Turner ultimately decided that it was too much of a risk.

If anyone remembers the 2001 XFL, it was obvious it was going to fail, due to all the theatrics they incorporated from McMahon's wrestling promotion. It did not jive with football fans. Additionally, the actual XFL players were inferior to CFL playeers, and it showed in the quality of play.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by elly63

As usual you are wrong. I could care less about the results, the rule changes are a fait accompli. What I question are the number of people who voted and how many of them were never around the CFL forum ie NFL fans

If we were on a CFL forum, and the wording was about all the changes (shortening the end zone and eliminating the 55 yard line), the results would be different.

This has been known for at least a couple of months, when polling was conducted. The more passionate CFL fans, who actually buy tickets and invest time in the product, are the ones who are most against the changes.

The people who rarely follow the league, were the most likely not to mind the changes to the game. It should be noted that the second group rarely spend money on the CFL.

I think it's fair to say that any business owner would tell us that it's not a great idea to piss off your customers.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Obviously not old enough to remember the 1984 Olympics, the L.A. Memorial Coliseum was designed to accommodate the 400 meter running track for the 1932 Summer Olympics.

As was Commonwealth Stadium for the 1978 Games and Olympic Stadium for 1976.

So the seats are set back. So they built SoFi Stadium.

The Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum is not a great football venue. It's the main reason the Raiders moved back to Oakland in 1982, and the reason LA could not attract an NFL team for nearly a quarter century.

As for Commonwealth Stadium, the sight-lines are poor,compared to the new stadiums in the league (especially Winnipeg and Regina). It's become somewhat obsolete, considering it's nearly 50 years old and much too big for a CFL venue. I attended enough games and events in Edmonton to know this.

[northernlights99]

Not sure what the location of the Poll has to do with it. Anyone can vote and see the results. Non football fans are entitled to vote in any poll as much as anyone else.

Since when is a Poll just for particular people to participate ? That's not how things work folks and just because results seemed skewed doesn't mean there is something wrong. no way jose .

One compromise they can do to appease some fans is keep the end zones at 20 yards deep and have the goal post on the 15 yard line of the end zone.

So that way we can still see long throws into the end zone as long as they avoid the crossbar.

The stadium footprints are already configured for 20 yard end zones, might as well keep them as is, just move the goal post 5 yards forward of the dead line.

Then the goal post will be in middle of end zone however I doubt they will do this.

I did see on the video those players smacking into the goal post, those wide receivers were running full gallup.

In the case of the Riders player smacking into the post, he wasn't running full gallup but his weight made the impact large enough to make the crossbar and uprights sway back and forth like an Earthquake ! Wow !!

One thing they could do for Player Safety is do as they do at highway Exits, those big yellow drums filled with water, have a bucket filled with water located at the goal post to cushion the impact.

Can they not have some sort of round bucket filled with water at the goal post to make a potential collision safer for the player ? I know they have the current padding but could be better.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Not sure what the location of the Poll has to do with it. Anyone can vote and see the results. Non football fans are entitled to vote in any poll as much as anyone else.

Since when is a Poll just for particular people to participate ? That's not how things work folks and just because results seemed skewed doesn't mean there is something wrong. no way jose

That's true, but you are missing the point. We can post a poll in regards to the new CFL field changes in a Mississippi football forum, but the results would not really matter, considering that hardly anyone in the state watches CFL, let alone is planning on spending money buying tickets and merchandise to the games.

The bottom line, is what CFL fans, who actually spend money on the product buying tickets, merchandise, etc. think. With CFL or football specific Canadian forum polls, we get a far better read on how the changes will play out in terms of attendance and viewership.

One thing is for sure. The changes will not lead to a big increase in viewership. In fact, it's almost certain that if anything, less people are going to buy tickets, and watch the game.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

If we were on a CFL forum, and the wording was about all the changes (shortening the end zone and eliminating the 55 yard line), the results would be different.

This has been known for at least a couple of months, when polling was conducted. The more passionate CFL fans, who actually buy tickets and invest time in the product, are the ones who are most against the changes.

The people who rarely follow the league, were the most likely not to mind the changes to the game. It should be noted that the second group rarely spend money on the CFL.

I think it's fair to say that any business owner would tell us that it's not a great idea to piss off your customers.

That’s not true. I’m a passionate fan and I support the changes.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

That’s not true. I’m a passionate fan and I support the changes.

It's definitely true.

You are in the minority, but continue to gaslight anyone who wants to keep the game uniquely Canadian, as "NFL fan boys" oddly enough.

"The survey found among respondents who followed the CFL, 47 percent of people agreed the league should try to differentiate itself from the NFL as much as possible. While that was especially true among people who followed the CFL very closely — with a whopping 74 percent responding positively — it was also the most common response amongst people who followed the league not very closely (38 percent). 28 percent were in favour of greater alignment with the NFL rule book, including 30 percent of those who did not follow the league very closely."

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

It's definitely true.

You are in the minority, but continue to gaslight anyone who wants to keep the game uniquely Canadian, as "NFL fan boys" oddly enough.

"The survey found among respondents who followed the CFL, 47 percent of people agreed the league should try to differentiate itself from the NFL as much as possible. While that was especially true among people who followed the CFL very closely — with a whopping 74 percent responding positively — it was also the most common response amongst people who followed the league not very closely (38 percent). 28 percent were in favour of greater alignment with the NFL rule book, including 30 percent of those who did not follow the league very closely."

It’s so weird that it is now you, who is claiming “NFL fanboys” are skewing the poll results.

Stop whining. Embrace change.

Post the link to that survey.

47 % stated the league should “ try to differentiate itself from the NFL as much as possible”

What does that even mean?! Like turn the oval ball into a cube, wear helmets backwards, call it Ballfoot?!? I mean, they are “trying to differentiate from the NFL as much as possible?! Give me a break…

I assume the questions were asked with a sense of the CFL being Americanized? Am I right… the fields are 50 yards, and the posts at the back of the end zone… whoopdy f’n dooo. That is all that is the same, oh ya except for everything, other than everything that makes CFL ball unique, like 12 men, 65 yard wide field, halo, waggle, 1 yard, Canadian ratio…and oh ya… 3 f’n downs!! like…. Stick with JUST the argument that the field should be 55 yards not 50, instead, they stray away from the rule/dimensions change and instead focus the argument on that the CFL is being Americanized. Buts it’s not, they are very must distinct and dissimilar now as it always has been.

But wait, let’s B and complain that the field lengths are the same distance!

Get that Americanization B shit argument outta here.

[trueviking]

i hate when people say embrace change without articulating why the change is better than the current situation.

These changes are 100% about looking more American....you are being naive if you believe otherwise.

Obviously, players, stadiums and media production values are far superior in the one of the wealthiest sports leagues on earth, but every single offensive and game play metric is better with Canadian rules.

If the NFL said they are changing their rules to CFL rules, they could say they are doing it because there will be more passing yards, more passing touchdowns, more touchdowns scored, more points scored, more end of game comebacks and lead changes, more kickoff runbacks and adding missed field goal runbacks.

So why would the CFL change their rules to be more like NFL rules? Increasing the play clock, making the field and end zones smaller and moving the goalposts back are not minor changes. They have a cascading impact on how the entire game is played. Not for the better.

There is no argument to be made that shows the moves they are making will improve the game. It is all about looking American to fool NFL viewers in Canada. Full stop.

I will definitely cancel my 20-year season tickets when they change.

[Hawrylyshyn]

The irony of "true, dedicated CFL fans" claiming to cancel season seats and stop giving time or money to the league kills me every time. You clearly don't actually care about the CFL if you're willing to jump ship so easily.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hawrylyshyn

The irony of "true, dedicated CFL fans" claiming to cancel season seats and stop giving time or money to the league kills me every time. You clearly don't actually care about the CFL if you're willing to jump ship so easily.

How is that any different than so-called "hardcore" CFL fans who have said they love the changes so much that they went out and bought seasons tickets for the "first time in years", like Hackslack (which I find hard to believe).

A great way to gauge what effect these changes will have on the average CFL fan, is to ask people in the prairie provinces, mainly Manitoba and Saskatchewan, where the game is still huge. So far, I know hardly anyone who is in favour of these changes. As TrueViking mentioned,I have yet to find anyone who can make a convincing argument, to tell us how these changes will improve the game

People in the GTA don't care either way.

[craner]

I am a lifelong CFL fan (50+years) and Stampeders STH - in fact it is my #1 favourite league.
I agree with ALL the changes announced in the fall EXCEPT moving the goalposts. If the poll question was “Do you agree with the changes ?” I would have voted “YES” but as it is solely regarding changing the goalposts to the back of the endzone I voted “NO”.
The other 2 field changes are pretty minor IMO and I would be fine with regardless of the goal post location.
One other rule that distinguishes the CFL from the NFL that hasn’t been mentioned is “one foot in bounds” for a completed catch - this rule isn’t changing and that is a good thing.
I follow & enjoy both the CFL & NFL but I think the different CFL rules (that are still in effect) provide for a superior game.

The statements above are just my opinion/feelings - I’m not trying to promote any kind of agenda.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by trueviking

i hate when people say embrace change without articulating why the change is better than the current situation.

These changes are 100% about looking more American....you are being naive if you believe otherwise.

Obviously, players, stadiums and media production values are far superior in the one of the wealthiest sports leagues on earth, but every single offensive and game play metric is better with Canadian rules.

If the NFL said they are changing their rules to CFL rules, they could say they are doing it because there will be more passing yards, more passing touchdowns, more touchdowns scored, more points scored, more end of game comebacks and lead changes, more kickoff runbacks and adding missed field goal runbacks.

So why would the CFL change their rules to be more like NFL rules? Increasing the play clock, making the field and end zones smaller and moving the goalposts back are not minor changes. They have a cascading impact on how the entire game is played. Not for the better.

There is no argument to be made that shows the moves they are making will improve the game. It is all about looking American to fool NFL viewers in Canada. Full stop.

I will definitely cancel my 20-year season tickets when they change.

Changed clock - Game moves faster, not reliant on human whistling in a play. My opinion: change is better

Moved goalposts opens up the middle for passing plays. My opinion: change is better.

Length of the field modified as a result of goalposts to the back. My opinion: doesn’t matter but I see it needs to be modified to account for the move in posts

Depth of end zone modified as a result of goalposts tot he back - oh ya, every stadium can now also have exact same dimensions. My opinion, just the simple fact that all stadiums can have the same end zones is a win.

Goalposts to the back encourages more touchdown drives instead of FG’s. Eliminates interference of an object and mitigates another safety hazard of the game already filled with injuries.

Modified rouge eliminates possibility of a failed missed goal to be rewarded with a point. Huge positive. Especially with keeping the rouge - which the point of it is to penalize the defensive team.

Team opposite sides - with change to play clock the opposite sides is required.