Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

Will Saskatoon's proposed new arena be AHL sized?

Bigger. 15,000+ capacity.

[FactaNV]

Maybe that could be a good place for TNSE to grow the Jets brand. Brand new arena, relocate the Moose who play out of Canada Life Centre and finally have some pro hockey in Saskatchewan. TNSE gets a whole province worth of revenue for their troubles. I'll call Mark Chipman up tomorrow

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Now that's what I'm talking about it. Go back to this (minus the track) and Olympic Stadium could be a great football/soccer stadium.

If professional baseball is going to come back to Montreal, whether the MLB or the Minor Leagues, it will be in a new ballpark.

Keeping the baseball scoreboard and optional baseball configuration to host a few Jays pre season games per season is just not worth the brutal ugliness of multi use configurations.

If Quebec goes all in on football/soccer renovation, they won't regret it. If an MLB stadium/franchise isn't in the cards for Montreal, you gotta at least believe Montreal could build a minor league ballpark and get a Triple-A ball club.



If Winnipeg can build a minor league ballpark this nice, and not even get a Triple-A team, Montreal could definitely build something even bigger and nicer and actually get a minor league team at the Triple-A level. Maybe it could even be designed to be expanded to a MLB capacity one day. It would be a challenge, but not impossible.

[EpicPonyTime]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

Maybe that could be a good place for TNSE to grow the Jets brand. Brand new arena, relocate the Moose who play out of Canada Life Centre and finally have some pro hockey in Saskatchewan. TNSE gets a whole province worth of revenue for their troubles. I'll call Mark Chipman up tomorrow

If Saskatoon was ever to get an AHL team it’d be the Oilers affiliate, not the Jets. Much closer to Edmonton than Winnipeg.

That said, if it hasn’t happened already it likely won’t in the future. The WHL team (the worst team in hockey) supposedly has a say in who can play at the current arena and has no interest in sharing with another hockey team. Certainly not the only obstacle (there’s no AHL following in Sask) but still a problem.

A PWHL team would have been an intriguing idea however the League hasn’t shown interest in Saskatoon, and based on their newest expansion cities it’s clear they prefer NHL cities.

[Djeffery]

This is a photo of Olympic Stadium from the Olympics. Looks like they also had seating in use on the upper deck above the scoreboard. Also looks like the stadium hadn't been outfitted with the rolling lower deck seats that would become the baseball infield seating or football sideline seats when moved.

[northernlights99]

Great pic of the Olympics, thanks.

The dimensions of the MLS field are 70 - 80 yards wide by 100 to 110 yards long depending on stadium size.

CFL will shrink field to 65 x 130 yards by 2027. Length 100 yards plus two 15 yard wide end zones.

Unfortunately that still leaves Olympic Stadium with not so great sightlines cause the Stadium's footprint follows the original 400 meter oval track so seating is set back.

One solution may be to do what the L.A. Memorial Coliseum did and dig out the field and set it lower to bring seating closer in.

That Stadium suffers from the same problem, a stadium built for the Olympics. The Olympic oval track set back the seats particularily in the end zones. The end zones are a huge distance far back.

The L.A. Coliseum dug out the field and rebuilt it 11 feet lower then building 14 rows of additional seats further in closer to the field.

I don't know if this can be done with Olympic Stadium, that's a lot of concrete to hammar out and I believe there are facilities underneath the stadium.

I've been to a game at the Rose Bowl, the seats are closer to sidelines as there was never an oval track.

[northernlights99]

Here is the remodeled L.A. Coliseum.

In 1992 the field was dug out and dropped 11 feet to allow 14 rows of additional seating near field bringing seats closer to sidelines.

Could this be an option for Olympic Stadium ? Cause even with a new roof the sightlines remain poor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...orial_Coliseum





in this aeriel shot you can see the addition of the rows of seats at bottom due to lowering of the field.





also note the teams are on opposite sidelines and the goal posts are on the end (dead) lines instead of goal lines.

Improvements coming to the CFL over next two years.

I say improvements cause it is Ridiculous to have a goal post right on the goal line. The end zone is part of the field. Who's dumb idea was it to place goal posts in middle of the field ?

However there is a wrinkle for the L.A. Coliseum.

As part of the plans to host the 2028 Summer Olympics, the L.A. Coliseum field will have to be raised 11 feet higher back into its pre 1993 position to allow for reinstallation of the 400 meter track !

Yikes ! up and down.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.co...s-renovations/

I do find this to be pie in the sky. we shall see what happens.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Great pic of the Olympics, thanks.

The dimensions of the MLS field are 70 - 80 yards wide by 100 to 110 yards long depending on stadium size.

CFL will shrink field to 65 x 130 yards by 2027. Length 100 yards plus two 15 yard wide end zones.

Unfortunately that still leaves Olympic Stadium with not so great sightlines cause the Stadium's footprint follows the original 400 meter oval track so seating is set back.

One solution may be to do what the L.A. Memorial Coliseum did and dig out the field and set it lower to bring seating closer in.

That Stadium suffers from the same problem, a stadium built for the Olympics. The Olympic oval track set back the seats particularily in the end zones. The end zones are a huge distance far back.

The L.A. Coliseum dug out the field and rebuilt it 11 feet lower bringing 14 rows of seats further in closer to the field.

I don't know if this can be done with Olympic Stadium, that's a lot of concrete to hammar out and I believe there are facilities underneath the stadium.

I've been to a game at the Rose Bowl, the seats are closer to sidelines as there was never an oval track.

That would be really cool to see happen for Olympic stadium.

Originally Posted by northernlights99

However there is a wrinkle for the L.A. Coliseum.

As part of the plans to host the 2028 Summer Olympics (assuming Trump allows L.A. to host the Games), the L.A. Coliseum field will have to be raised 11 feet higher back into its pre 1993 position to allow for reinstallation of the 400 meter track !

Yikes ! up and down.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.co...s-renovations/

I do find this to be pie in the sky. we shall see what happens.

That's pretty whack lmao

Thankfully, Montreal probably never has to worry about hosting another Olympics again.. so I hope this could be a viable solution for the big O.

[Djeffery]

Montreal doesn't need to lower the floor because unlike LA Coliseum, Montreal doesn't have one tier of seating from field to top. All Montreal has to do is look to Toronto for some inspiration, and demo out the entire lower bowl and rebuild it into a rectangular field design.

If they wanted maximum flexibility for events, they could expand on the concept that Salt Lake City did with the Delta Centre with those movable seating sections. They go in and out, up and down. Need more width or length on the floor, they drop the angle on it and pull it back to where needed and you don't lose as many seats as you do with the retractable folding up rows many arenas have. So if Montreal wanted a running track, they pull the seats back, drop the pitch angle of the rows and you still have good sightlines. Need to close it in for an NFL field, raise the pitch and extend them out to the appropriate distance from the sidelines.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Need to close it in for an NFL field, raise the pitch and extend them out to the appropriate distance from the sidelines.

NFL field? So much for Elbows Up.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by elly63

NFL field? So much for Elbows Up.

OK, whatever. We're talking possible stadium configurations, maybe go back to the political threads.

[northernlights99]

Demolishing out the lower tier of seats would be extraordinarily expensive. And it could only be done After the new Roof is installed.

For L.A., I think it would make more sense to just hammer out the 14 rows of seats they built in 1993 and bring it back to the original footprint for the '32 and '84 Games to accommodate the 400 meter track oval.

The raised platform will only accommodate Artificial turf. Athletes won't like that. But I guess cost wise its less costly just to build a raised platform.

Don't the fields for Summer Games need to be Grass ? Is grass field not an IOC requirement ? Montreal '76 was grass.

The track oval is indeed 400 meters long for the inside lane. Same for Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton and now gone Empire Stadium in Vancouver.

This really messes up the sightlines especially in the end zones where seats are set so far back. I remember watching Whitecaps games at old Empire, sitting in the end zone the net was so far away.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by elly63

NFL field? So much for Elbows Up.

Man you must be fun at parties

[elly63]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

Man you must be fun at parties

Just pointing out the hypocrisy, and yes I am fun at parties.

[northernlights99]

Are there any other examples of an Entire Football field being Raised 11 feet on columns and plates ?

Or will this be a one off engineering feat ? Or just fearless engineering.

The slightest earthquake and this will be a colossal embarrassment for Los Angeles .

Safer to just hammer out the 14 rows seating that were added in 1993. Then you keep the grass field for the sake of the athletes and their knees / ankles.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/olymp...mpics-makeover

[northernlights99]

I wanted to compare the areas covered by CFL, NFL, MLS and MLB fields, found some surprising results :

CFL field covers 2 acres or 87,750 square feet using 2026 dimensions, including end zones

NFL field is comparatively smaller only covering 1.32 acres or 57,780 square feet, including end zones

MLS field using 75 yards by 105 yards covers 1.62 acres or 70,875 square feet

MLB field covers 4.5 acres or 196,000 square feet including Infield and Outfield and assuming 325 feet down the foul lines and 400 feet out to center.

This explains why it was so hard for the L.A. Coliseum to accommodate baseball games even though the Dodgers did play there before moving into Dodger Stadium. The left foul line was quite short resulting in more home runs, in fact they had to build screens in the outfield.

Easier for a baseball stadium to accommodate football or soccer than the other way around. Hence the major hassles Exhibition Stadium had accommodating both Argonauts and Blue Jays.

Also a reason why baseball stadiums are generally smaller in capacity than NFL stadiums as in baseball so much more area is taken up by the field.

However Olympic Stadium had some huge crowds for the Expos, sometimes as many as 60,000 fans !

Owing to the large footprint.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by elly63

Just pointing out the hypocrisy, and yes I am fun at parties.

Again, it's a stadium thread, what kind of idiot are you?

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Demolishing out the lower tier of seats would be extraordinarily expensive. And it could only be done After the new Roof is installed.

For L.A., I think it would make more sense to just hammer out the 14 rows of seats they built in 1993 and bring it back to the original footprint for the '32 and '84 Games to accommodate the 400 meter track oval.

The raised platform will only accommodate Artificial turf. Athletes won't like that. But I guess cost wise its less costly just to build a raised platform.

Don't the fields for Summer Games need to be Grass ? Is grass field not an IOC requirement ? Montreal '76 was grass.

The track oval is indeed 400 meters long for the inside lane. Same for Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton and now gone Empire Stadium in Vancouver.

This really messes up the sightlines especially in the end zones where seats are set so far back. I remember watching Whitecaps games at old Empire, sitting in the end zone the net was so far away.

Of course it would be expensive, likely more so than what Skydome costs. But since they've decided the stadium is being kept by spending all this money on the roof, something needs to be done with the interior. They can decide to keep it as a substandard (by today's standards anyway) floor plan, but I guess that depends on what they hope to get out of the place. It wouldn't shock me that the brain trust doesn't want to give up on a baseball configuration just in case it's needed as a temporary home for their long hoped for return of the Expos. If the current layout suits them fine for concerts, car shows and the odd soccer or football game, by all means, keep it as is (although at least some new seats would be good).

I think for LA, that plan works well for the temporary usage of the Olympics. They can probably grow grass on trays there just like they did for the 1994 World Cup in all those turf stadiums.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Are there any other examples of an Entire Football field being Raised 11 feet on columns and plates ?

Or will this be a one off engineering feat ? Or just fearless engineering.

The slightest earthquake and this will be a colossal embarrassment for Los Angeles .

Safer to just hammer out the 14 rows seating that were added in 1993. Then you keep the grass field for the sake of the athletes and their knees / ankles.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/olymp...mpics-makeover

Not the same thing but as far as engineering feats go, there are a couple stadiums in Europe that host NFL games and they have the NFL field on the bottom level of the stadium and then they retract the larger soccer field from above it. I think Tottenham is one and wherever it was they played in the last couple weeks had a very interesting design for it

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Again, it's a stadium thread, what kind of idiot are you?

i referenced what you said (in a stadium thread). Why so sensitive, hit close to home?