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Would a Giant New Building Approved Up Flatbush Avenue Be a Precedent for Atlantic Yards?
The density argument may be transposed to the Site 5 parcel, though they're not quite parallel.
Norman Oder
Apr 21, 2026
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What might Atlantic Yards/Pacific Park look like under the pending new plan from developers Cirrus Workforce Housing and LCOR?
It involves adding 1.6 million square feet—free “land” worth perhaps $320 million—to the originally approved bulk and eliminating the B8 tower, redistributing its bulk to the five other towers built.
We don’t really know.
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While local elected officials, in a recent letter to Gov. Kathy Hochul, seem mostly concerned about affordable housing (and oversight), questions of scale and density have received little attention. They shouldn’t be ignored.
Information about the project last surfaced on March 19, including the last public workshop (in this phase) and a meeting of the (purportedly) advisory Atlantic Yards Community Development Corporation, or AY CDC.
We’re waiting for a Final Community Engagement Report from Empire State Development (ESD), the state authority that oversees/shepherds the project.
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Enter 395 Flatbush Ave. Ext.
Recently, negotiations over a giant new building—Brooklyn’s second-tallest and surely bulkiest—less than half a mile north along Flatbush Avenue reflected a debate over affordability, not scale.
The recent approval of 395 Flatbush Avenue Extension could be used to argue for an increase in Atlantic Yards density, notably at Site 5, a similarly sized parcel. Then again, the settings are not quite parallel, as discussed below.
.....During the approval process for 395 Flatbush Ave. Ext. (FAE), virtually no one challenged the building’s scale, only its affordability. Council Member Crystal Hudson did secure somewhat deeper affordability, more family-sized units, and some funding for Fort Greene Park.
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When the 395 FAE plan was unveiled, I suggested that the increased density might be seen as a boost for Site 5. Then again, as the photos above suggest, Downtown Brooklyn has a remarkably dense cluster of towers, with no new park space and a reliance on internal amenities.
The Downtown Brooklyn project was approved with 1,263 apartments, or 1,120 apartments per acre. The Site 5 project might have 1,200 units, I’ve speculated, which would mean 1,074 units per acre.
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How big would Site 5 be?
Site 5 was approved in 2021—as part of a state lease, since the city’s not involved—to have 1,242,000 gsf. I previously calculated the FAR as 25.5, which seems astronomical. However, that should be recalculated to account for the difference between gsf and zsf.
A 15% or 20% reduction would result in 1,080,000 zsf or 1,035,000 zsf. That would yield Floor Area Ratios of “only” 22.2 or 21.2, similar to the Downtown Brooklyn site.
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If Site 5 has to be ever larger to maximize the number of affordable units and make the development economically viable, what trade-offs does that entail?
Well, even Jersey City, known for trying to supercharge development, set a 20 FAR maximum for parcels under 60,000 square feet at Journal Square, while allowing larger parcels 25 FAR—though, as I’ll write, one large development still has an FAR below that of 359 Flatbush Ave. Ext.
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