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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 12:23 AM
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So I guess the only spot to building new parking would be to expand the parking lot of the east side of the building where the Beer Can is. Unless the City chooses to develop the small park to the west of the building where the large homeless camp is now set up.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 1:00 AM
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Several municipal board members don't even live in Winnipeg, right? Wab has gotta get rid of this shit.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 1:01 AM
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So I guess the only spot to building new parking would be to expand the parking lot of the east side of the building where the Beer Can is. Unless the City chooses to develop the small park to the west of the building where the large homeless camp is now set up.
There is some city owned land between the parking lot and the park but likely not enough to completely replace the entire amount of parking. Now that the tenant has final say, I’m sure they will demand nothing less.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 1:10 AM
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It kills me that this board acts like it’s a court of law with expensive lawyers on each side, then their rulings are just gut feel musings based on no set criteria.

This was nothing but a rezoning. How can they create requirements about any hypothetical future development?
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 1:43 AM
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Can't the city just mothball the curling club for a year? They own it. Is it any different than a community club board? Maybe the city would want the Parks Dept to operate it and they could boot the board out. I find this situation upsetting.
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Can't the city just mothball the curling club for a year? They own it. Is it any different than a community club board? Maybe the city would want the Parks Dept to operate it and they could boot the board out. I find this situation upsetting.
Yea seems like a lease can be not renewed next time it's up.
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I was thinking the same thing. Don’t renew the lease when it’s up for renewal, kick the curling club out, then move forward with the development. You could probably even demo the curling club too and put another two towers beside the UWRC 2.0 proposal.
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Can anyone clarify for me how this decision changes anything? I thought the city was already supposed to be working out a parking arrangement with the club. Isn't that what this "verdict" enforces? Or does it make it a more stringent condition before it can proceed? I'm a little lost here...
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 5:11 PM
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The key change is that the municipal board has now made the tenant the judge of what an acceptable solution is. The council decision was that the public service would decide.

The tenant opposes the development so they can just say no forever.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 10:15 PM
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That is insane.... can it be appealed?
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Welp, I'd say let the Granite Club take the W on this, because eventually, it will fizzle out.

They're already on borrowed time, and just bought some more of it.

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That is insane.... can it be appealed?
Nope. They are the final word.
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I am very surprised by the decision. If the curling club wanted to keep control into perpetuity they should not have sold their real estate. They have taken the cash and still attempt to control the lot and take its income.

Perhaps the City should cancel the parking lot lease and just turn it into pickleball courts for a year or two. Let’s see how all parties move forward with that arrangement.

Although I do like parking lots, a housing development on this site by these developers is a much better use of the land. Most people regularly walk way farther from their car to the front doors of Costco, IKEA or Loblaws in the middle of February!
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That is crazy work. I hope the Beer Can finds a better location and opens up somewhere else, because I guarantee they're the only tenant keeping the curling club afloat. You don't see them complaining about Beer Can patrons taking up the entire parking lot during the summer.
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Can they evict the tenant? This is absolutely absurd.
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This municipal board is ridiculous. Is a copy of that decision anywhere to be read? I am extremely curious to understand how they could have reached that conclusion. It might be a useful exercise to see what sorts of factors influenced them and figure out how to beat these types of stupid appeals going forward, assuming we have to live with this stupid regulatory body going forward.
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This municipal board is ridiculous. Is a copy of that decision anywhere to be read? I am extremely curious to understand how they could have reached that conclusion. It might be a useful exercise to see what sorts of factors influenced them and figure out how to beat these types of stupid appeals going forward, assuming we have to live with this stupid regulatory body going forward.
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The board of the Granite Curling Club is 100% hiding behind a heritage building. It would be very hard for the city to play hardball with their lease. But I think they should. Tell the board they support developing the land or take a hike. Lots of ways to mitigate loss of a surface parking lot.

BTW the COW owns the curling club and land because of a tax seizure from the 1970s.
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Civic officials concerned about ‘veto’ in Municipal Board decision on city-owned, Granite-leased parking lot

By: Joyanne Pursaga
Posted: 6:11 PM CST Monday, Nov. 17, 2025

he Manitoba Municipal Board’s decision on a hotly debated plan to build affordable homes at a Granite Curling Club parking lot is triggering fears it could set a dangerous precedent for city projects and leases.

The provincially appointed board’s decision, released last week, adds a condition to the housing plan’s approval. Specifically, it requires the city and the club to develop an “adequate” parking plan “to the satisfaction of the Granite Curling Club,” as well as the city.

The head of city council’s property and development committee said that condition would give the club veto power over the project.





“The Municipal Board has said to the Granite Curling Club, ‘If you don’t like the parking arrangements that are being made, the project’s not moving forward’… I am extremely concerned that this creates a dangerous precedent. I think this is an overstep by the Municipal Board. I think that it has to be reviewed,” said Coun. Evan Duncan (Charleswood-Tuxedo-Westwood).

Council approved the 111-unit residential building proposed for the city-owned land in February, which would ensure half its housing suites have affordable rents for 99 years.

The curling club, which has been at the current location since the building’s construction in 1912, opposed the plan, arguing the location would eliminate 45 of its 80 parking stalls, rendering it no longer viable.

The project was then appealed to the Municipal Board, which held six hearing dates on the matter in the summer.

Since city council is required to follow the board’s recommendation, it raises significant concerns about property rights, said Duncan, noting the city owns the affected land that is leased to the curling club.

It also puts a much-needed housing project at risk, he said.

“We’re talking about… affordable, rent-geared-to-income, (Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.)-funded, (federal Housing Accelerator)-funded projects that are potentially down the toilet,” said Duncan.

He said it’s possible the city has the power to change conditions of the curling club’s lease during the parking-lot negotiations.

“The City of Winnipeg holds that lease. So, the answer is, yes, things can change to motivate people,” said Duncan.

In its ruling, the Municipal Board states it “does not agree that this amendment creates a dangerous precedent that would erode property and ownership rights of developers everywhere and would create veto rights of a lessee.”

“The relationship between the city and the (Granite Curling Club), as stewards of a beloved heritage asset, is unique and the amendment… recognizes this unique relationship,” the document says.

The board’s ruling also “encourages” the city and curling club to discuss a capital fund, annual property tax waiver and eliminating rent for the club as part of a long-term lease agreement.

Mayor Scott Gillingham said he’s still reviewing the ruling to determine his next steps, though he is concerned about its potential impact.

“With this precedent, there’s nothing stopping any future tenant of a City of Winnipeg building from trying to use and cite this ruling as grounds to try to… win their case, as well. So, I think, frankly, it’s naive for the board to say that this may not be precedent setting,” said Gillingham.

“This is overreach. I think they’re out over their skis on this one, as the saying goes, and right now, we need affordable housing built. That site, I still believe, is a really important site that could accommodate much-needed affordable housing.”

A spokesman for the club welcomed the decision, stating such a parking agreement is key to the club’s survival.

“The recommendation that was passed by the Municipal Board provides an assurance that the city has to genuinely work with the Granite to provide a solution,” said Christian Pierce, secretary of the club’s board.

Pierce noted a key city planning document, CentrePlan 2050, calls for any redevelopment of the affected parking lot to support the club’s operations.

He questioned any suggestion the city could alter the club’s lease as negotiations move forward.

“If the implication is the city is just going to not renew our lease or make our lease impractical, I don’t think that would reflect well on the city to take a vindictive approach to us. We’ve been a steward of the building for 112 years,” said Pierce.

Last year, council called on the provincial government to remove the Municipal Board’s power to have the final word on some city land-use decisions.

Premier Wab Kinew didn’t say Monday whether his government will review the housing project decision.

He stressed municipal councils should have decision-making powers, which is why his government is taking a second look at the broader rules.

“The whole review… it was just designed to make sure that the local officials will be able to make local decisions for your communities, because they know the needs that are out there,” said Kinew.

In an email, Manitoba Municipal Relations Minister Glen Simard noted the province is still reviewing the Municipal Board’s role, noting an “action plan” will be released by the end of the year.

— With files from Carol Sanders
Winnipeg Free Press
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