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Old Posted Jan 9, 2024, 3:55 PM
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It surprises me that the Milum family still owns the Milum buildings and they would want to demolish them. IF the alleged plan is complete demo of all buildlings, I hope the guy is just trying to gain some leverage somehow for some sort of negotiations or concessions by the City or otherwise. I don't know how or what exactly, but maybe he's putting scorched earth on the table only to back off when getting what he wants or some sort of better deal.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Libeskind's downtown boutique apartment building to break ground this month

Rainbow Road apartment building breaking ground on Jan 23. Looks like the exterior color scheme changed...used to be white.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...wntown-boutique-apartment-deal-wrap.html

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Aging buildings at heart of historic preservation debate with city of Phoenix

Looks like it is indeed complete demo of ALL Millum buildings.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2024/01/10/milum-textile-laundry-building-phoenix.html

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The fate of the 100-year-old Milum Textile Services property in downtown Phoenix is unclear as the owner continues a fight with the city over whether the longstanding buildings can be demolished.

The facility is located from 333 to 337 N. 7th Ave. between Filmore and Van Buren streets on the western side of downtown. Formerly known as the Phoenix Laundry and Dry Cleaning building, the property was rebuilt in 1935 after a fire destroyed a building that was developed in 1923.

The city of Phoenix historic preservation commission voted 8-0 at its Jan. 8 meeting to uphold a previous decision against demolition of the entire property, as it was deemed to have historic value. The property is considered architecturally significant for its Streamline Moderne-style design and use of multiple lamella roofs, according to the city.

The commission noted that the owners could appeal the decision with Phoenix City Council as a next step.

The Milum family acquired Phoenix Laundry and Dry Cleaning Co. in 1956 and founded Milum Textile Services, which is now owned by Craig Milum. Milum Textile Services provided textile cleaning services for medical facilities and restaurants and remained in operation until 2020.

For months Milum has been trying to get the approvals to demolish the complex in order to sell the property for retirement, but the historic preservation commission voted down the request in December, KJZZ reported.

The property owner returned to the commission on Jan. 8 for an appeal of the December vote and to demonstrate an economic hardship in preserving the facilities.

The city recommended the commission continue the request for appeal for additional time to compile information but the owner of the buildings did not want to continue the request, the city said.

Owners estimate it would cost $100,000 to preserve property
The city said the owners of vacant, underutilized buildings are required to submit a statement of potential return on investment based on existing or new uses, including costs of rehabilitation and supplementary new construction, among other data.

During the Jan. 8 meeting, Milum estimated it would cost more than $100,000 to save the property and nearly $19,000 to insure it, according to the city.

"They paid approximately — they're estimating about $40,000 in property taxes," the city said during the Jan. 8 meeting.

In a letter to the city of Phoenix historic preservation officer, commercial real estate brokers Paul Borgesen of Transwestern and Justin Horwitz of SVN said they have been actively marketing the property for sale since April 2020 and have been unsuccessful in securing a buyer despite strong interest.

"The overwhelming majority of prospective buyers do not pursue the purchase of the property due to concerns over multiple city of Phoenix interests in historical preservation of several major structures," Horwitz wrote in a letter to the city.

Developers are eligible for major property tax abatements for developments in downtown Phoenix that are mixed-use, preserve historic buildings or include affordable or workforce housing.

The proposed historic preservation has presented challenges such as a limited number of developers that could take on the project and difficulty obtaining a higher sale price because of the cost associated with retaining the buildings, the brokers said. The property is currently being marketed for $9.2 million, the city said.

"The majority of developers we have presented the site to ultimately are not equipped to handle an abnormal development process or do not have an interest in taking on the risk given the amount of unpredictable expenses in the pre-development and construction phases," Horwitz wrote.

Horwitz said they have also spent "countless hours" in the past few years identifying end users interested in using the existing buildings. They also received a rough estimate from a general contractor that it would cost $10 million to bring the building up to code, the letter said.

"While we have groups acknowledge the unique elements of the structures and have a vision for an end use, the estimated costs of renovations steer groups away from pursuing a purchase of the property," the letter added.

Commission members questioned the estimated $10 million cost identified by the owners and said they believed this was higher than what the actual cost would be. They recommended the owners obtain a formal estimate and bid for the property.

The historic preservation commission is scheduled to hear a separate application for a historic preservation rezoning for a portion of the Milum Textile Services property in February.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2024, 3:45 PM
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Rainbow Road apartment building breaking ground on Jan 23. Looks like the exterior color scheme changed...used to be white.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...wntown-boutique-apartment-deal-wrap.html

Kinda like the color change. I noticed the trees were roped off last week. So that confirms work starting soon.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2024, 3:46 PM
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The owner is so clearly in over his head. I couldn't imagine somebody in worse shape trying to dispose of this property. I mean, of course no prospective purchaser is going to touch it when the questions of what's preserved are remoteley left over, this is what experienced land owners are supposed to do--prepare the site for resale or development.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2024, 5:44 PM
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Exactly. There's got to be some sort of cost-benefit analysis in terms of what we lose vs. what we gain.
Thank you. Exactly, call me crazy, but I think we've got enough 7 story apartment buildings in the Phoenix area. Start building some neat highrises with neat architecture and crowns please 👏👏👏
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Noticed a couple of small things while cruising around downtown tonight.

Burton has broken ground. https://truenorthstudio.com/projects/the-burton/

Also saw a couple of airstream trailers outside of the parking garage on 1st and Roosevelt. Land Yacht Club possibly one step closer?
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2024, 3:21 PM
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Noticed a couple of small things while cruising around downtown tonight.

Burton has broken ground. https://truenorthstudio.com/projects/the-burton/

Also saw a couple of airstream trailers outside of the parking garage on 1st and Roosevelt. Land Yacht Club possibly one step closer?
The more I look at diagrams and think about the Land Yacht Club, the more I wonder what the end goal is. Instead of just being a "residential development catering to artists and creatives", I sort of wish it was also a sort of incubator of sorts for new small businesses like pop up restaurant concepts or even retail - a creative opportunity for small business owners to showcase their talents before taking a huge financial plunge elsewhere instead of just being a glorified trailer park. Just my opinion.
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The more I look at diagrams and think about the Land Yacht Club, the more I wonder what the end goal is. Instead of just being a "residential development catering to artists and creatives", I sort of wish it was also a sort of incubator of sorts for new small businesses like pop up restaurant concepts or even retail - a creative opportunity for small business owners to showcase their talents before taking a huge financial plunge elsewhere instead of just being a glorified trailer park. Just my opinion.
Given its location its perfect for little shops, quirky little bars and restaurants and maybe exhibition space for small time artists.

Live-work in a trailer bolted to the side of a parking garage over a major street seems dystopian.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Noticed a couple of small things while cruising around downtown tonight.

Burton has broken ground. https://truenorthstudio.com/projects/the-burton/

Also saw a couple of airstream trailers outside of the parking garage on 1st and Roosevelt. Land Yacht Club possibly one step closer?
Where is Burton? the website does not make it clear.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2024, 4:53 PM
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Where is Burton? the website does not make it clear.
Across the street, just east of the parking garage on first street.

Here: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4593383,...talVRbR8cAw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2024, 5:08 PM
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Nice to see TNS get these projects going. I hope they can focus on Knipe Village now
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2024, 5:27 PM
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Yeah I like these smaller projects too. Is great for density building.

The affordable housing Project at 3rd and Osborn is also moving fast and i don't think we've ever seen a rendering for it but the elevator core is already at like 40 feet. Much taller than I had expected.
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Noticed a couple of small things while cruising around downtown tonight.

Burton has broken ground. https://truenorthstudio.com/projects/the-burton/
It's still a tad disappointing there isn't more height where The Burton is sitting. I remember the original True North Studio concept for that lot. It was decently sized office highrise. Regardless though, I do like this new concept too. It'll be very nice infill on a dirt lot that's bothered me for years. Haha
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It's still a tad disappointing there isn't more height where The Burton is sitting. I remember the original True North Studio concept for that lot. It was decently sized office highrise. Regardless though, I do like this new concept too. It'll be very nice infill on a dirt lot that's bothered me for years. Haha
I think you are mixing it up with Knipe Vilalge
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Code5 is correct. TN had a 17-floor office tower originally envisioned on the lot that Burton is getting built on.
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Code5 is correct. TN had a 17-floor office tower originally envisioned on the lot that Burton is getting built on.
Wow don't remember that. Was this 17-story tower originally included as part of their master plan PDF they had put out like years ago?
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Wow don't remember that. Was this 17-story tower originally included as part of their master plan PDF they had put out like years ago?
It's on their old development workbook. You can view the office tower renderings almost about halfway down below Knipe House.

https://a.storyblok.com/f/43638/x/22452b0c64/az-phoenix-nwc-nec-roosevelt-2nd-st-ro2-opt.pdf

Edit: I remember there was more on the office tower, but I can't remember where that was published at.
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It's on their old development workbook. You can view the office tower renderings almost about halfway down below Knipe House.

https://a.storyblok.com/f/43638/x/22452b0c64/az-phoenix-nwc-nec-roosevelt-2nd-st-ro2-opt.pdf

Edit: I remember there was more on the office tower, but I can't remember where that was published at.
Yeah, they also had a tower called creative house in that same area. It was a really cool project. I hope it's still up on the drawing board somewhere. I think it was a Davis design.

Burton is nice. They have a number of projects that are similar to the burton model of street facing retail (?) with housing oriented perpendicular to the street. I'm curious how many get built or if burton is a prototype. it really breaks up the scale of the street nicely. Love seeing the block front and center.

Is the house south of the site part of the project - or is it something different? it has been fenced off too.
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[QUOTE=az_daniel;10123753]Yeah, they also had a tower called creative house in that same area. It was a really cool project. I hope it's still up on the drawing board somewhere. I think it was a Davis design.

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Creative house was supposed to go where the Lebinskid building is going.

Same with the Atari hotel. I dont know how serious Creative house ever was.
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