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For Biden or Trudeau? Biden seems to pass on the potential at least 1 in 3 to win the race. Trudeau is passing on a totally poisoned chalice and actually staying could be the more honorable thing to do.
Revitalized and energized Democratic party under Harris I think has a much better chance than Biden did.
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Revitalized and energized Democratic party under Harris I think has a much better chance than Biden did.
Yeah online right now it’s a far more enthusiastic response to Harris than I would have imagined. Trump world seems panicked. Online at least.
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Fair. As you say after St. Pauls Trudeau seemed like he might go. Biden obviously made the ultimate sacrifice but the early election call by Sunak also had let's get this over with vibes. Expecting trudeau to do anything magnamious seems like a poor bet. (granted the best choice for his values may be to stay as no replacement seems likely to do better). I am starting to wonder if he actually changes election law and tries to wait until 2026.
Trudeau seems to think it’s all going to magically turn around at some point without him actually course correcting by limiting immigration. He’s going to wait out the election call. The only hope is Jagmeet growing some balls.
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Yeah online right now it’s a far more enthusiastic response to Harris than I would have imagined. Trump world seems panicked. Online at least.
Obviously, she is being welcomed into her new role with enthusiasm. The convention should turn into a coronation.

Assuming the Democrats with another term and the Liberals win another term, North America is well positioned for another five years of prosperity.

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He's currently on a family vacation in BC. I wonder if this includes a walk on the beaches of Tofino...........
Probably not today. It is a bit overcast on Vancouver Island. But there is tomorrow for him to see the light and make that decision.
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About time. He said he was going to be a one-term president and had he stuck to that his legacy would have been fine. Now it's worse than Bush and Trump and that says something....
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So, the correct answer/order was: Sunak-Biden-Trudeau. Congrats to those who bet correctly back in late June

(For a brief window of time, after both the Toronto—St. Paul's byelection and the US Presidential debate but before the British election, all six (3!) possibilities were all on the table.)
Ironic that Sunak who was arguably the most intelligent of the three and the best qualified ti be a national leader was the first to go.
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Revitalized and energized Democratic party under Harris I think has a much better chance than Biden did.
Agreed. It's an uphill climb. But people are vastly underestimating her energy. Biden gets to run the country. She gets to campaign. And money is going to flood in now. And what a contrast. 59 year old woman of colour against an the oldest nominee in American history. And then there's all the other contrasts (and this was from 2020):

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Agreed. It's an uphill climb. But people are vastly underestimating her energy. Biden gets to run the country. She gets to campaign. And money is going to flood in now. And what a contrast. 59 year old woman of colour against an the oldest nominee in American history. And then there's all the other contrasts (and this was from 2020):
Nobody not already certain to vote Democrat cares about what DEI category she checks off. A lot of swing voters know that's why she was chosen as VP. A lot of sexist though partially true crap about her sleeping her way to the top. She got absolutely zero traction when she ran for president. Normally that is indicative that she isn't ready for the big leagues but lots of failed primary candidates have roared back next round so it's all about the moment.

The Tech bros are already coming out against her after claiming they were only for Trump because Biden was senile and they'd happily vote for any younger candidate. I wonder if we will see the same with a lot of voters who were only pretending to be for Trump because Biden is old when really they want his anti immigration and other policies but are embarrassed to admit it.

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She got absolutely zero traction when she ran for president. Normally that is indicative that she isn't ready for the big leagues
So did the current President. He went nowhere the 2 or 3 times he ran for President before being VP propelled him up to the top job.
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So did the current President. He went nowhere the 2 or 3 times he ran for President before being VP propelled him up to the top job.
Even if that’s the case, Obama gave him stuff to do. Maybe she is doing important behind the scenes stuff, but it certainly looks like Biden marginalized her.
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Even if that’s the case, Obama gave him stuff to do. Maybe she is doing important behind the scenes stuff, but it certainly looks like Biden marginalized her.
She is going to be blamed for the Border mess with some justification.
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She is going to be blamed for the Border mess with some justification.
I know the Republican talking point is "border czar" but her actual task was to get Latin American countries to reduce the flow, which she actually did reasonably well.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...ear-rcna146821

She was never in charge of enforcement of the border.
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Nobody not already certain to vote Democrat cares about what DEI category she checks off. A lot of swing voters know that's why she was chosen as VP. A lot of sexist though partially true crap about her sleeping her way to the top. She got absolutely zero traction when she ran for president. Normally that is indicative that she isn't ready for the big leagues but lots of failed primary candidates have roared back next round so it's all about the moment.
I was listening to the Bulwark podcast at the gym yesterday. They covered all your points amazingly. They even predicted that Republicans are going to go hard on calling her the DEI candidate and it's going to backfire spectacularly, both because she's actually qualified, and because a lot of key constituencies (women and African Americans) will see these attacks as exactly the kind they faced through their lives and careers. In a year after taking an axe to abortion rights? They actually hope right wing media does that, because in their calculation nothing is going to fire these groups up more than these racists and misogynists thinking nobody understands their supposedly coded language. And indeed the way you're regurgitating right wing media talking points is proving them right. They also talked about the whole, she didn't do well the first time. They pointed out that so many good candidates who don't intend to win the first time they run do that. And her quitting early is part of the reason she is the VP today. She didn't get into a bruising fight with the nominee.

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The Tech bros are already coming out againsther after claiming they were only for Trump because Biden was senile and they'd happily vote for any younger candidate. I wonder if we will see the same with a lot of voters who were only pretending to be for Trump because Biden is old when really they want his anti immigration and other policies but are embarrassed to admit it.
I don't think the techbros are reflective of mainstream or swing voter opinion. They are rich guys who don't want to face social consequences for voting their interests, so they come up with excuses. They clearly aren't even reflective of most of their employees. This captured the sentiment:

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There's a lot of people who try and make this somev complicated political decision. It's not. It's going to be a clear choice between Trump and everything he stands for, and the exact opposite in just about every way. No idea what Americans will pick, but the choice will be stark and clear.

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Shouldn't all this US talk be in the Foreign Policy thread? This thread is for Canadian Federal Government talk. The US is not part of Canada, contrary to what some people may want to believe. Maybe the mods can shift this discussion over to that thread?
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I wish Buttigieg would immigrate to Canada and become leader of the Liberal Party.
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I wish Buttigieg would immigrate to Canada and become leader of the Liberal Party.
None of his virtues would really be appreciated in Canada. Military service. Finance career. Ivy League education. These might actually be held against him in today's LPC. We actually do have people like this in Canada. You should be asking why they almost never run for office.
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Assuming the Democrats with another term and the Liberals win another term, North America is well positioned for another five years of prosperity.
Surely this is sarcasm...? The current Liberal government isn't exactly screaming "prosperity" for Canadians.
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Surely this is sarcasm...? The current Liberal government isn't exactly screaming "prosperity" for Canadians.
Casper is half right. The Americans have been doing okay. Not great. But they avoided the worst of the post-pandemic doldrums. Canada would be in a recession without population growth.
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None of his virtues would really be appreciated in Canada. Military service. Finance career. Ivy League education. These might actually be held against him in today's LPC. We actually do have people like this in Canada. You should be asking why they almost never run for office.
We do - the Conservatives had this in Erin O'Toole and thanks to the convoy we get Pierre no experience at anything Polievre.
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Canada would be in a recession without population growth.
I wish we had a recession and the government had dealt with it directly, rather than papering it over with population growth.
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