The Great SSP Canada Cancel Culture & Wokeism Thread

[Acajack]

Discuss!

[lio45]

"Help, you're being repressed / cancelled"...?

[CivicBlues]

Christ this is getting tiresome. You guys need a life outside of SSP.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lio45

"Help, you're being repressed / cancelled"...?

Call it a "pre-emptive strike"!

[shappy]

Originally Posted by lio45

"Help, you're being repressed / cancelled"...?

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[Dengler Avenue]

Nah, let the Quebecois talk.
Je sais que la vue Québécoise est assez différente que celle anglophone. En fait, je suis même d'accord avec la première.

[rousseau]

This oughta get the ball rolling:

The Unbearable Wokeness Of Being In Stratford

You can’t attend a performance anymore without first being hectored by a shopworn recording that acknowledges the Huron-Wendat, the Haudenosaunee and the Anishinaabe as the original stewards of the land on which the theatres are built. The Festival Theatre’s Executive Director has stated in the local newspaper that “land acknowledgements” are a traditional practise at Indigenous formal gatherings, justifying constant replication in the spirit of being “welcoming” and “inclusive.” Never mind that standard historical works concluded that the dense forests in this area were never occupied territories before Europeans cleared the trees and plowed the fields. There is no evidence they were even Indigenous hunting grounds.

More important, it is difficult to see how today’s remnants of the Huron-Wendat would feel welcomed by a recognition of Haudenosaunee presence in the territory, having been massacred and driven out of southwestern Ontario by them in the 1600s. Nor is it likely that the Haudenosaunee traditionally practised land acknowledgements in favour of the Huron-Wendat who preceded them. The Anishinaabe felt no need to consult with or acknowledge the claims of either people before signing treaties acknowledging British title to the land that was to become Perth County in the early 1800s.

https://c2cjournal.ca/2020/11/the-un...-in-stratford/

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by rousseau

This oughta get the ball rolling:

You're being a baaaaaaaaaad boy, Rousseau.

Breaking the social contract, I might say.

[MonctonRad]

Just dropping in to acknowledge that AFAIK, I am the person who actually coined the term "woketarianism."

If somebody has seen this term used elsewhere before the last few weeks, let me know, and I will retract this assertion.

I like the term "woketarianism" because it reminds me of Presbyterianism, a protestant Christian church, founded in Scotland, renowned for it's strict ideology and lack of humour. Woketarianism reminds me of Presbyterianism in this regard.........

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Just dropping in to acknowledge that AFAIK, I am the person who actually coined the term "woketarianism."

If somebody has seen this term used elsewhere before the last few weeks, let me know, and I will retract this assertion.

I like the term "woketarianism" because it reminds me of Presbyterianism, a protestant Christian church, founded in Scotland, renowned for it's strict ideology and lack of humour. Woketarianism reminds me of Presbyterianism in this regard.........

If you can find a way to get royalties paid to you for that, you should.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Just dropping in to acknowledge that AFAIK, I am the person who actually coined the term "woketarianism."

If somebody has seen this term used elsewhere before the last few weeks, let me know, and I will retract this assertion.

I like the term "woketarianism" because it reminds me of Presbyterianism, a protestant Christian church, founded in Scotland, renowned for it's strict ideology and lack of humour. Woketarianism reminds me of Presbyterianism in this regard.........

The Wokests are the Puritans of the 21st century.


(Cromwell was likely even worse than the most fanatic Puritan)

[Gat-Train]

Originally Posted by rousseau

This oughta get the ball rolling:

It's pretty dumb, considering the Natives were killing each other and stealing land from one another long before Europeans arrived.

[Pavlov]

Originally Posted by rousseau

This oughta get the ball rolling:

Oh no! We've identified a gesture of good will, acknowledgment and respect that might not be exactly historically or legally accurate (note: unsurprisingly, these acknowledgments are not intended to be and do not profess to be exactly historically or legally accurate as such things are incredibly complex)! Those dastardly woketarians are up to no good again! They're wasting my precious 30 seconds of time (or something?)! I demand satisfaction!

Good grief.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Oh no! We've identified a gesture of good will, acknowledgment and respect that might not be exactly historically or legally accurate (note: unsurprisingly, these acknowledgments are not intended to be and do not profess to be exactly historically or legally accurate as such things are incredibly complex)! Those dastardly woketarians are up to no good again! They're wasting my precious 30 seconds of time (or something?)! I demand satisfaction!

Good grief.

Anyone sensible though would have to admit that it's a bit absurd.

It's a textbook case of trying too hard to prove a "point".

[Pavlov]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Anyone sensible though would have to admit that it's a bit absurd.

It's a textbook case of trying too hard to prove a "point".

... or trying (too?) hard to be respectful, welcoming and inclusive? I don't count that as a fault, frankly (certainly not when it comes at no real cost to anyone else).

[niwell]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Oh no! We've identified a gesture of good will, acknowledgment and respect that might not be exactly historically or legally accurate (note: unsurprisingly, these acknowledgments are not intended to be and do not profess to be exactly historically or legally accurate as such things are incredibly complex)! Those dastardly woketarians are up to no good again! They're wasting my precious 30 seconds of time (or something?)! I demand satisfaction!

Good grief.

I made it through most of that article - aside from the insufferable LOOK HOW SMART I AM writing style, there's very little evidence to back up the claims being made. Caught my eye that he decries the claim of Othello as racist (this is fair), yet then proceeds to claim it's actually anti-racist. Which is hilarious, since racism as a modern construct didn't really even exist then! If there's an equal and opposite construct to the obnoxious internet woke scold, this guy is it to a T. Very "old man yells at cloud", or in this case, "old man jerks off to Shakespeare". And let's be real, at least 75% of people claiming to love Shakespeare are faking it to sound smart - that was the worst part of high school English.


Going to the "about us" section of the publication yielded few surprises...

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by niwell

And let's be real, at least 75% of people claiming to love Shakespeare are faking it to sound smart - that was the worst part of high school English.

Shakespeare was by far THE BEST part of my high school English classes!

Why do you think a native French speaker such as myself can write such beautifully eloquent prose for you guys' reading pleasure on here?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by niwell

Going to the "about us" section of the publication yielded few surprises...

I only looked quickly, but don't they publish stuff with a wide range of views? Will stand happily corrected if not.

But I did do a double-take at the article about Sir John A. being the PM who saved the most indigenous lives. Yikes.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by niwell

I made it through most of that article - aside from the insufferable LOOK HOW SMART I AM writing style, ...

As opposed to the congenial LOOK HOW DUMB I AM writing style that would be used by nice but intelligent people when they want to prove a point?

[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by niwell

And let's be real, at least 75% of people claiming to love Shakespeare are faking it to sound smart - that was the worst part of high school English.

Shakespeare in high school is the last vestige of the 'Great Books' philosophy of pedagogy. One where all people - regardless of class or background - have a knowledge of a selection of important texts and the allegories contained within them. One that gives all of us a common reference point. Beyond creating a polity that shares unified experiences and is less fractured, it helps cultivate critical thinking because we can use well-known passages to explain profound things about the human condition or some of the vagaries of society and everyone will, almost literally, be on the same page. At the very least, we can use it as a jumping off point and skip the difficult step of communicating complex topics without knowing where to start.

This has to be taught at the high school level. Even if most of the kids are too young to grasp these texts, you have to reach as many people as possible. Not everyone will go to university, and most university programs have become more narrow and technical, so it's not like most people will have the chance to be exposed to the great texts there, either.

How much more prepared and resilient would our society be if we had truck drivers and personal support workers who dropped out after Grade 12 understanding what we're talking about when we say something like "Deepfakes are concerning and we can't take things at face value. It's a problem we've been grappling with since Plato talked about the allegory of the cave"?

PS: it doesn’t have to be Shakespeare or even a Western text, but Shakespeare has (or, in theory, should have) the benefit of common knowledge for all generations. You could abandon Shakespeare and have kids read something new but then we wouldn’t all have a common reference point. Path dependency.