[Burnaby] Southgate City | Phase 1 Completed

[vanman]

Introducing
Southgate City

Visualize an energetic and cohesive community beautifully defined by its relationship to parks and water. This is Southgate City. Soaring above the slopes of south Burnaby, this revolutionary 60-acre Master Planned Community is born from the celebrated imagination of BC’s original homebuilder, Ledingham McAllister. Shaped by magnificent towers, mid-rises and lush garden-oriented low-rises, this community encircles an expansive and meticulously-planned 5-acrecentral park that is intersected by meandering and sceniccreekside parkways. Day to day needs are easily met with the convenience of community shops and services that include a gourmet grocer, restaurants, cafés, and the luxury of your own world-class, park- sideCommunity Centre. Connect to all of Metro Vancouver via Skytrain just a short walk away. A new community is rising in Burnaby. Come home to Southgate City.

SouthgateCity.com

[Sheba]

I'm reposting this here - it's from May 2014.

Originally Posted by officedweller

Safeway Distribution site in Burnaby near Edmonds:

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/0...-taking-shape/


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/0...-taking-shape/


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/0...-taking-shape/


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/0...d-taking-shape

[BobLoblawsLawBlog]

A bit too suburban

[Large Cat]

I've kind of soured on this project and I hope they tone it down. It's just too far from the Skytrain to justify this density. There will never be a Skytrain decently close to this development.

Kind of similar to the River District being built without any bus service at all currently. (Only the 100 which doesn't go down the hill whatsoever.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Large Cat

I've kind of soured on this project and I hope they tone it down. It's just too far from the Skytrain to justify this density. There will never be a Skytrain decently close to this development.

Kind of similar to the River District being built without any bus service at all currently. (Only the 100 which doesn't go down the hill whatsoever.

2.8 far isn't high density

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog

A bit too suburban

I agree. Towers with a wide street and a park on the other side is a recipe for dead streetscape.

[madog222]

It's a 10 min walk to Edmonds station, close enough for Edmonds town centre.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by madog222

It's a 10 min walk to Edmonds station, close enough for Edmonds town centre.

Yeah it's not that far at all. The western edge of the site is probably closer to a 5 min walk away.

[SpongeG]

it's closer to the skytrain than highgate village. Quite ambitious.

[Sheba]

The Edmonds bus loop is under the A (of A Grand Vision). That's hardly a million miles away. Plus there's a bus on Griffiths Drive and another on 14th Ave.

Originally Posted by vanman

SouthgateCity.com

[logan5]

I wonder how long all this is gonna take to get built out. The good thing about an area like OV/SEFC is that there are multiple developers, so many more projects are completed over time. This development will probly take decades.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by logan5

I wonder how long all this is gonna take to get built out. The good thing about an area like OV/SEFC is that there are multiple developers, so many more projects are completed over time. This development will probly take decades.

■15-20 year build-out

[Tetsuo]

LedMac reached a deal with BC housing for their site on the other side of 14th AVE. In exchange for the land, they will be building a replacement 3 Story building with 90units and then on the most northern part of BCH's site will be housing for seniors.

https://www.bchousing.org/partner-se...ts/cedar-place

About the Project
Cedar Place is an existing 90-unit affordable family housing development in Burnaby, owned and operated by BC Housing.

We signed an agreement with Ledingham McAllister (LedMac), an experienced Lower Mainland developer, to replace Cedar Place with a 2:1 ratio of affordable housing units. LedMac will construct a replacement affordable family housing development across the street from the existing Cedar Place on LedMac’s Southgate development site. We will continue to own and operate the new affordable family housing building.

Once the replacement family housing project is complete, LedMac will develop a new 90-unit seniors housing building on the western edge of the existing Cedar Place site. The development was originally built in 1971.

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

LedMac reached a deal with BC housing for their site on the other side of 14th AVE. In exchange for the land, they will be building a replacement 3 Story building with 90units and then on the most northern part of BCH's site will be housing for seniors.

https://www.bchousing.org/partner-se...ts/cedar-place

Also, by acquiring the site, this allows Burnaby to make 16th St. the main corridor connecting Edmonds/Kingsway with SouthGate.

I've been hearing some rumours regarding the city and BC Housing's land at Edmonds/Kingsway (Old Library + Old CC + BC Seniors housing), they're looking at a similar development deal as the quoted for their large site

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

LedMac reached a deal with BC housing for their site on the other side of 14th AVE. In exchange for the land, they will be building a replacement 3 Story building with 90units and then on the most northern part of BCH's site will be housing for seniors.

https://www.bchousing.org/partner-se...ts/cedar-place

BCHF Housing – SOUTHGATE EW-1

Integra Architecture is responsible for 6 multi-family low-rise buildings in 4 neighbourhoods.
Designed for BC Housing, this 90-unit building is located in Ernie Winch Neighbourghood of Southgate Village.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Sheba

BCHF Housing – SOUTHGATE EW-1

https://integra-arch.com/our-project...oject-photos-2

From the Kings Crossing Thread - I think you can see the above project built on the left side of the pic:

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

At the end of the video, noticed a large construction site? just to the south of Kings Crossing

[SFUVancouver]

Quite the project! It's sort of feeling to me like the later stages of Concord Pacific Place centered around George Wainbourn Park, which has some positive attributes, but is almost wholly a residential neighbourhood without any meaningful mixed-use. Ledmac can do mixed use pretty well when required (I'm thinking about their projects on Fraser Street and 4th & Fir in Vancouver) but they're a developer with a pretty focused vertical-suburbia mindset and I expect that this will feel a lot like their Lougheed Highway project near Brentwood.

As for proximity to SkyTrain, the western half of the project is close enough to Edmonds Station to count as TOD, but the far eastern side of the project will be a long walk and will be more car-dependent. With that said, I don't think that the distance would be that much different in terms of walking distance than Wall Financial's Boundary and Kingsway-ish project to Joyce Station.

[officedweller]

Edmonds is the most spaced out of the town centres in Burnaby.

There's a bit of a battle between commercial focussed on Kingsway & Edmonds, and the unbuilt potential for commercial at the SkyTrain Station.

I think a commercial core at Edmonds Station will depend on development of the empty BC Hydro lot and space across the street.
i.e. commercial space would be viable if it is "on the walk" between the station and Southgate and would draw from the north as well.

I doubt a commercial core away from the station in Southgate itself would be successful.

PS - here's an article on Edmonds Town Cntnre:

http://davidpereira.ca/projects/burn...s-town-centre/

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think a commercial core at Edmonds Station will depend on development of the empty BC Hydro lot and space across the street.
i.e. commercial space would be viable if it is "on the walk" between the station and Southgate and would draw from the north as well.

Which 'space across the street' are you referring to? Most or all of the treed area there is part of Byrne Creek Ravine Park.

I wish Hydro would do something with their empty space but they don't seem to be in any hurry.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I wish Hydro would do something with their empty space but they don't seem to be in any hurry.

Roughly 15 years ago, their land was being shopped around, pitching a healthy amount of office development and that went nowhere, which is exactly what the market's response: more office in the middle of nowhere?