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Dan McLean, a politician?

Federal Liberals courting Dan McLean

June 05, 2009
Andrew Dreschel
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/Opinions/article/577863

Will former CHCH anchor Dan McLean run for the Liberals in the next federal election?

The word on the political street is yes.

But McLean himself is circumspect.

He's been approached by the Grits; he's mulling it over; but he's also looking at other options.

"Let's put it this way, since retirement there have been a number of different suggestions and offers made, several of which I am considering," McLean said yesterday. "But to say I'm going to do this might be a bit premature."

If he takes the plunge, he's widely expected to do so in the riding of Ancaster-Dundas- Flamborough-Westdale, held by Conservative David Sweet.

But McLean, who lives on the outskirts of Ancaster, says there are other scenarios in play as well.

The search for candidates is heating up now that Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff is rattling election sabres over the Harper government's handling of the economy.

Though it's doubtful a mid-summer election will happen, the fact the Liberals have crept ahead in opinion polls does suggest they might try to topple the minority Conservative government sooner rather than later.

By any definition, McLean would be a star candidate for them.

After a 28-year career as anchor of CHCH News, he enjoys a high profile, huge name recognition, and deep-seated popularity in the Hamilton area.

When McLean retired in December, he was widely seen to have been forced out by the same cost-cutting wave that saw the departure of on-air host Connie Smith and others.

McLean, who publicly handled his exit with diplomatic aplomb, has been courted to run for more than one political party over the years.

"It's something I've talked about doing for a long time but, again, a lot of things have to fall in line before I make a commitment like that. It's food for thought and that's basically where I am -- I'm thinking."

Meanwhile, a well-placed Liberal source says another former CHCH employee is also considering throwing his hat in.

According to the insider, former Liberal MP and cabinet minister Stan Keyes has expressed interest running in ADFW.

Keyes, who lives in Waterdown, lost his seat in 2004 after 16 years in Ottawa when he contested the redistributed riding of Hamilton Centre with New Democrat David Christopherson.

At the time, Keyes supporters felt the former TV reporter should have avoided Christopherson and tried to win the Liberal nomination in his own back yard.

Be that as it may, Keyes, now president of the Canadian Payday Loan Association, says he has no intention of mounting a comeback, though he has been approached.

"I think it's time younger, fresher faces come on the political scene," he said.

The Liberals, who have been shut out in all five Hamilton ridings in the last two elections, see ADFW as eminently winnable.

They're probably right.

Sweet captured it from Liberal incumbent and longtime municipal politician Russ Powers by a solid 2,874 votes in 2006.

And he easily held on in '08, defeating second-place Liberal candidate Arlene MacFarlane-VanderBeek by almost 11,000 votes. But the largely rural riding also has deep Liberal as well as Conservative roots.

Before Powers came on the scene, it had been held by Liberal John Bryden for more than a decade.

Bryden crossed the floor to the Conservatives in 2004 after falling out with the Paul Martin camp over, among other things, the Quebec sponsorship scandal.

If McLean saddles up, he may very well be the guiding star the party needs to lead the riding back into the fold.
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I have nothing against Dan McLean personally, but I don't think Hamilton is well served by continuing electing media personalities.
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I have nothing against Dan McLean personally, but I don't think Hamilton is well served by continuing electing media personalities.
In what way? Are you saying media personalities are ill suited for elected office. If so, why?
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In what way? Are you saying media personalities are ill suited for elected office. If so, why?
o for gawd sakes. what's with Hamilton? we only elect former media personalities? Because we know their name?

We have no idea what his position is, where his opinions lie wrt urban issues? Whether he likes Hamilton or Mississauga? He was just a news anchor that read a script. You think those words he spoke were his words? News Flash!

He would suck. Seriously I've met him and conversed about sh** with him and he's not impressive. He's always just posing.
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In what way? Are you saying media personalities are ill suited for elected office. If so, why?
Well I think that realcity gave an answer I wouldn't disagree with. I never said that a media personality wouldn't be suited for elected office, but rather that Hamilton has had too many media personalities as our representatives and has not been well served by it. I don't know what the word is for rulership by media personalities, but I'm not keen on it.

Plus with Dan McLean, it's like, hey poor Dan got canned at CH, lets make it up to him by electing him MP. That might be enough for a Liberal fanboy like Steeltown, but for me that seems to be a poor way to select our representatives. Although, I suppose I will likely vote for Bob Bratina again so I am a bit of a hypocrite.
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Would someone please list off all these "former media personalities" that have allegedly underserved us in public office? I can only think of four elected officials, past and present, that could be considered media personalities: Stan Keyes as a former MP, Jennifer Mossop as MPP, Bill Kelly as a former city councillor, and Bob Bratina as a current councillor.

Mr. Keyes was MP for over a decade, and served as a cabinet minister for several years, giving Hamilton a seat in cabinet, something we have been lacking since 2006. Jennifer Mossop served only one term before deciding to leave politics, but was a capable parliamentary secretary for the provincial government during that time. Bill Kelly served his ward well during his three terms as councillor before his unsuccessful run at federal politics. Bob Bratina is serving his consituency well, a better performer than most in our current council.

I guess it bothers me when someone's candidacy is written off because of some pre-conceived notion of what kind of people would serve Hamilton well. It bothers me more when the facts surrounding the preconception is at best weak. Specifically, I don't know enough about Dan McLean's political opinions to pass judgement on his abilities to hold the job. But that is something fleshed out during the electoral process.

Perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick here. It is possible there are many more media personalities that have held public office here that I am not aware of, and they have been ineffective in their roles. If so, please enlighten me with examples.
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Would someone please list off all these "former media personalities" that have allegedly underserved us in public office? .... Perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick here. It is possible there are many more media personalities that have held public office here that I am not aware of, and they have been ineffective in their roles. If so, please enlighten me with examples.
Seem to recall the knock on Mossop being that she was a parachute candidate. She replaced a weak, tainted Liberal candidate and took the riding in part because of her name/face recognition (20 years on local TV) and partly because the Harris/Eves Tories had rather worn out their welcome with voters. So Brad Clark (Harris’ Minister of Transport and Eves’ Minister of Labour during his four years as MPP) got bounced into the nonprofit sector (and, according to Wikipedia, a weekly show on CHML) before emerging in municipal politics. Mossop was a PA to two Ministers of Culture during her four years as MPP. Nerene Virgin, Mossop's intended replacement and another Liberal parachute candidate, is an Ancaster-based journalist (with CBC experience, like Mossop), though she was bested by the NDP's Paul Miller. Those examples don't necessarily speak to ineffectiveness in themselves, but I can see how they might strike someone as a comparative downgrade.

Stan Keyes was 35 when he first made MP. Can you imagine someone of that age representing the city today?
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Would someone please list off all these "former media personalities" that have allegedly underserved us in public office? I can only think of four elected officials, past and present, that could be considered media personalities: Stan Keyes as a former MP, Jennifer Mossop as MPP, Bill Kelly as a former city councillor, and Bob Bratina as a current councillor.

Mr. Keyes was MP for over a decade, and served as a cabinet minister for several years, giving Hamilton a seat in cabinet, something we have been lacking since 2006. Jennifer Mossop served only one term before deciding to leave politics, but was a capable parliamentary secretary for the provincial government during that time. Bill Kelly served his ward well during his three terms as councillor before his unsuccessful run at federal politics. Bob Bratina is serving his consituency well, a better performer than most in our current council.

I guess it bothers me when someone's candidacy is written off because of some pre-conceived notion of what kind of people would serve Hamilton well. It bothers me more when the facts surrounding the preconception is at best weak. Specifically, I don't know enough about Dan McLean's political opinions to pass judgement on his abilities to hold the job. But that is something fleshed out during the electoral process.

Perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick here. It is possible there are many more media personalities that have held public office here that I am not aware of, and they have been ineffective in their roles. If so, please enlighten me with examples.
Wow, Stan Keyes. Head of the Canadian Payday Loan Association. Awesome. I think part of this just boils down to if you are a Liberal fanboy like yourself and Steeltown. You'd have to be to defend Mossop's political career.
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I think Dan as a politican would be a good thing. He's been Hamilton's main voice for daily news for over 30 years. So obviously he knows Hamilton inside and out and has been a great ambassador.

Plus I would love to see Dan beat David Sweet.
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Dan McLean over the years has helped raised millions for chairty especially United Way and McMaster Children's Hospital. He has also done countless events in Hamilton, re-opening the Art Gallery comes to mind.

Sometimes he would replace Bill Kelly at CH Talk Live. From that you got to see Dan's personal opinions. I remember one espiode Dan defended Hamilton's image.
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He needed to defend Hamilton. How bad for his career if he didn't?

Bill Kelly was and still is a wreck... he just liked and likes hearing himself talk.
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http://www.hamiltonmountainnews.com/news/article/185726

Dan McLean was nominated last week in Dundas to carry the banner of the Ancaster- Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale Liberal riding. The former CHCH anchor said he would give the area what has been lacking since incumbent Conservative MP David Sweet was first elected in 2006.

“You have not had a strong voice in Ottawa,” said Mr. McLean.

Mr. McLean, after he met with most of the 75 people who turned out for the early evening event, said Mr. Sweet has been far too quiet over the years in his representation of the riding.

“Have you heard of him doing anything?” asks Mr. McLean in an interview. “The reality is I don’t hear from him at all. And I haven’t seen him in the riding.”

Mr. Sweet couldn’t be reached for comment.
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Great news! This is my riding. Hopefully a 'name' politician can over ride the complacency that got Sweet re-elected.
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http://www.hamiltonmountainnews.com/news/article/185726

Dan McLean was nominated last week in Dundas to carry the banner of the Ancaster- Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale Liberal riding. The former CHCH anchor said he would give the area what has been lacking since incumbent Conservative MP David Sweet was first elected in 2006.

“You have not had a strong voice in Ottawa,” said Mr. McLean.

Mr. McLean, after he met with most of the 75 people who turned out for the early evening event, said Mr. Sweet has been far too quiet over the years in his representation of the riding.

“Have you heard of him doing anything?” asks Mr. McLean in an interview. “The reality is I don’t hear from him at all. And I haven’t seen him in the riding.”

Mr. Sweet couldn’t be reached for comment.
Ummm ok, really outstanding Mr. McLean. Rather than stating why you would make a good representative, you simply make a generalized accusation of ineffectiveness. At least you could come up with something like "He didn't succeed in bringing the Southern Ontario Development Agency here". Instead just a generalized, but personal attack.

News flash for you Mr. McLean: David Sweet is not a "nobody" he does not "do nothing". He is chairman of the Veterans Affairs. Last Parliament he was vice-chair (ranking government member) of the Public Accounts committee (the committee that has oversight over government spending) and still sits on that committee. He also also helped many constituents, as well as securing funding for many local projects. He has done quite well on this front, despite the fact that cities like K-W has elected all tories, and yet he is the only government member to be primarily an advocate for our city.

As an government MP who has endorsed Light Rail, he is also a valuable individual to have in Parliament as we seek funding for our LRT project.

So to Dan McLean I ask: "How would you be a better representative from that".

It's one thing to challenge someone on policy, but baseless character attacks are just wrong.
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Ummm ok, really outstanding Mr. McLean. Rather than stating why you would make a good representative, you simply make a generalized accusation of ineffectiveness. At least you could come up with something like "He didn't succeed in bringing the Southern Ontario Development Agency here". Instead just a generalized, but personal attack.

News flash for you Mr. McLean: David Sweet is not a "nobody" he does not "do nothing". He is chairman of the Veterans Affairs. Last Parliament he was vice-chair (ranking government member) of the Public Accounts committee (the committee that has oversight over government spending) and still sits on that committee. He also also helped many constituents, as well as securing funding for many local projects. He has done quite well on this front, despite the fact that cities like K-W has elected all tories, and yet he is the only government member to be primarily an advocate for our city.

As an government MP who has endorsed Light Rail, he is also a valuable individual to have in Parliament as we seek funding for our LRT project.

So to Dan McLean I ask: "How would you be a better representative from that".

It's one thing to challenge someone on policy, but baseless character attacks are just wrong.
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He also also helped many constituents, as well as securing funding for many local projects. He has done quite well on this front...
Talk about vague generalities. Name one project, please. And no, not CANMET. That was a holdover from the Liberals. Do you live in his riding? I do, and I can tell you he has done SFA for our riding. He is also all but invisible, barely mustering the energy to show up to community events and gladhand people.

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Good Lord, it's going to be a long campaign. Accusing your opponent of ineffectiveness is hardly a "baseless character attack".
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Talk about vague generalities. Name one project, please. And no, not CANMET. That was a holdover from the Liberals. Do you live in his riding? I do, and I can tell you he has done SFA for our riding. He is also all but invisible, barely mustering the energy to show up to community events and gladhand people.
No I don't live in his riding (and I dislike that term anyways, just because he represents it doesn't mean he owns it). And FYI I do know people in ADFW, some of whom have been helped in the course of his constituency work, and also another individual whose own MP did sfa for her, yet Sweet helped.

As for projects, where have you been for the past 3 years? Is CANMET seriously the only federal project you can think of? For example, three construction ready affordable housing projects in Hamilton just got 7.1 million in funding, the 3 million dollar investment in Redeemer University College (which despite being a private university, still has a role to play in our post-secondary system), 22 million also at the same time for McMaster University and the Eastgate Transit terminal funding (1.6 million) just to mention a few recent items for the riding and the surrounding areas.

Dan McLean would be hard pressed to do better. As a white-male from Ontario, he would be hard pressed to find a cabinet post, especially as there are many more Liberal MPs ahead of him, especially those who haven't alienated their own party by calling themselves a "small-c conservative". He will also have to spend the next three years building a rapport with his fellow MPs, just like Sweet did. (Sweet being chair of a fairly important committee speaks to the respect he has earned from his fellow MPs). In other words, Mr. McLean's influence will likely be less than Sweet, especially if the Liberals do not form government. (Or form government in a coalition with the NDP in which case "small-c conservative" liberals will be even more alienated from the mainstream of the party).



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Good Lord, it's going to be a long campaign. Accusing your opponent of ineffectiveness is hardly a "baseless character attack".
It is if you don't back it up with facts. For example: Tyler Banham accused Chris Charlton of being ineffective. He backed it up with her short office hours among other things. That had a base. Meanwhile Mr.McLean's attack (the way it was reported) had no base. It is the same as calling someone a liar, but not giving a single example of HOW he is a liar. I gave an example of something he could have used, but instead of bringing specific accusations and letting them stand or fall on their merit, Mr.McLean chose dirty politics. There's too much of that on every side this day, and I'm tired of it.
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As for projects, where have you been for the past 3 years? Is CANMET seriously the only federal project you can think of? For example, three construction ready affordable housing projects in Hamilton just got 7.1 million in funding, the 3 million dollar investment in Redeemer University College (which despite being a private university, still has a role to play in our post-secondary system), 22 million also at the same time for McMaster University and the Eastgate Transit terminal funding (1.6 million) just to mention a few recent items for the riding and the surrounding areas.
Even if we had no Conservative MP in Hamilton we would still get those money from the infrastructure stimulus money. Eastgate transit came from the Public Transit Capital Trust, which Hamilton got $1.6 million out of the $500 million pot, that's hardly a percent.

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I do agree McLean won't likely become a cabinet minister if the Liberals form a government. That's why I'm kinda disappointed to hear Maria Pearson as a possible candidate for Hamilton East - Stoney Creek. I respect her as a councilor and I agree a lot with her stands.

But if we have a Liberal goverment it's likely Hamilton won't have any cabinet ministers from Hamilton. Should have a well known intellectual candidate for Hamilton East, it's the best chance for a cabinet minister.
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