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Old Posted May 3, 2007, 5:14 PM
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Montreal a backwater burg?

I personally think hiring a British trendoid to "brand" Montreal to be a waste of money and an exercise in idiocy, but I thought I would throw this out for rebuttal and general derision.

Montreal a backwater burg? The politicians don't seem to mind

KONRAD YAKABUSKI

From Thursday's Globe and Mail
May 3, 2007 at 6:03 AM EDT

MONTREAL — Jean Drapeau left Montreal in debt and permanently traumatized by his legacy of white elephants, hideous urban planning and one-man government. But he sure as heck put his city on the map.

That was painfully clear last week as nostalgic Montrealers lived it up like it was 1967 all over again. Only it's not. And 40 years after the magic of Expo 67 made Montreal a global hot spot, a prototype for the 21st-century city, the Quebec metropolis is mired in a crisis of confidence.

Montreal is the slowest-growing major city in Canada. It's at the bottom of the heap in per capita income among the continent's most populous agglomerations. Its infrastructure is literally crumbling and its cultural institutions, through no fault of their own, have become unremarkable and second-rate compared with Toronto's better-financed museums, theatres and concert halls.

When Simon Anholt, a British expert in location branding, arrived in Montreal last year, he thought he'd landed in Kazakhstan. A few months ago, the head of the city's tourism promotion agency said Montreal was dirty and ugly and an increasingly tough sell. Forget Expo-sized aspirations. These days, Montrealers just dream of being able to drive to work without wrecking their alignment or taking the bus without getting whiplash, so wide, deep and prolific are the city's potholes.

Oh, sure, Montreal is still edgy and artsy. Its dynamic street life is still unrivalled in Canada, possibly on the planet. But a city cannot live on Arcade Fire alone. Montreal needs some economic heat, too. Without it, decline is inevitable.

How does Montreal avoid becoming Pittsburgh - with better restaurants?

Mayor Gérald Tremblay has a blueprint. He calls it Montréal 2025, that being the target date for making the city one of the continent's most prosperous. The plan has three major focuses: on fostering a knowledge-based economy, transforming a seedy part of downtown into a hub for the arts, and redeveloping a vast swath of the city's waterfront. There's also a $10-billion plan to replace the city's leaky, century-old pipes and $3.4-billion to patch the roads.

It's an apple-pie vision. But then again, Mr. Tremblay is an apple-pie kind of guy. He's so conscientious, his idea of a business lunch is not the table d'hôte at Toqué, but Wendy's Chili, which he expensed 17 times last year. One working dinner for the Mayor and three advisers cost taxpayers an outrageous $21.53. You get the picture.

But Montreal's problems are so much bigger than its mayor. It's got terrible demographics, with the oldest population and fewest university grads on the continent. It's hopelessly overgoverned, with a city hall and 64 councillors, 19 boroughs with separate councils, and an agglomeration council. It's broke, with a finite revenue base that puts all of the tax burden on property owners. And, worst of all, it gets no respect from the provincial government, its ultimate master.

In February, Mr. Tremblay pleaded for more fiscal flexibility, explaining that without the ability to diversify (and no doubt increase) its tax base, Montreal faced a budget deficit of almost $300-million next year and $700-million by 2013. Why for, instance, does Montreal have to pay to clean up the mess from the Jazz Fest, when Quebec (and Ottawa) reap all the sales taxes on the souvenir mugs and T-shirts?

Mr. Tremblay hoped to get an answer from Jean Charest when the Premier gave a campaign speech before the Board of Trade in March.

Nada. The mayor was downtrodden. But he shouldn't have been surprised. Mr. Charest, who admittedly is not exactly flush, has governed since 2003 as if Montreal was a distraction, rather than the economic engine of the province. Two long-promised mega-hospitals - a key component of the knowledge-based economy Mr. Tremblay dreams of - are only marginally closer to realization now than they were when Mr. Charest first took office.

Then again, when Mr. Charest has paid attention to Montreal - for instance, by undoing a 2001 amalgamation and allowing 14 boroughs to "separate" from Montreal in 2005 - it's hardly been to the mayor's advantage.

Montreal's electoral map has for so long been etched in stone - the city's west-end ridings vote Liberal, the east end for the Parti Québécois - that politicians have nothing to lose by snubbing the city's mayor. Quebec's hard-up regions (that is, everything outside Montreal) are a fixation for the provincial government. Reduced to a minority and essentially shut out of rural Quebec in the March election, Mr. Charest's Liberals are hardly going to change that now.

The next provincial election will not be won or lost on the Island of Montreal. But Montreal will undoubtedly be the loser.

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Old Posted May 3, 2007, 6:41 PM
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he has some good points, but I won't bother, its the Globe and Mail after all.

Il y a un plaisir malin de se moquer de Montréal et du Québec au sein de la presse anglophone, alors ça donne quoi de se casser la tête avec ça.

La ville fait ce qu'elle a faire, c'est pas un certain kakabusi qui va venir nous donner la leçon.
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je ne suis pas d'Accord avec toi Malek. Je ne crois pas que cet article sert qu'a "rabaisser" Montréal, mais plutôt démontrer que nous avons des problèmes majeurs à régler! En passant, je crois que Konrad Yakabuski est résident de Montréal.

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Montreal is the slowest-growing major city in Canada.
ça c'est vrai!

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It's at the bottom of the heap in per capita income among the continent's most populous agglomerations.
ça aussi. 26ième sur 26. c'est poche!

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Its infrastructure is literally crumbling and its cultural institutions, through no fault of their own, have become unremarkable and second-rate compared with Toronto's better-financed museums, theatres and concert halls.
Tu ne peux pas nier ça! Pendant que Toronto investit des centaines de millions$ dans la culture, ici on investit des millions$ seulement!

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Oh, sure, Montreal is still edgy and artsy. Its dynamic street life is still unrivalled in Canada, possibly on the planet. But a city cannot live on Arcade Fire alone. Montreal needs some economic heat, too. Without it, decline is inevitable.
Couldn't have said it better myself!

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But Montreal's problems are so much bigger than its mayor. It's got terrible demographics, with the oldest population and fewest university grads on the continent. It's hopelessly overgoverned, with a city hall and 64 councillors, 19 boroughs with separate councils, and an agglomeration council. It's broke, with a finite revenue base that puts all of the tax burden on property owners. And, worst of all, it gets no respect from the provincial government, its ultimate master.
Encore une fois, il a raison!

Tant e t aussi longtemps que la région de Montréal sera sous représentée à l'assemblé national,(42% des circonscription mais représente 48% de la population) rien ne changera! Montréal demeurrera pauvre comparé au reste de L'amérique du Nord.
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Old Posted May 3, 2007, 8:43 PM
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wow il connaît Arcade Fire, méchante culture le gars...

autrement, sur la gouvernance impossible de la ville et le mépris du provincial, il a plutôt raison.
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Yakabuski était journaliste au Devoir avant de sauter au Globe and Mail...
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fewest university grads on the continent.
Pas vrai. Montréal a 11 % de la population canadienne, mais 15 % de ces diplômés universitaires. Et le Québec a le plus haut taux de doctorats au pays.
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Pas vrai. Montréal a 11 % de la population canadienne, mais 15 % de ces diplômés universitaires. Et le Québec a le plus haut taux de doctorats au pays.
Il arrive souvent que les journaux anglophones dénigrent Montréal seulement pour le plaisir mais pas cette fois. La plupart de ses propos ne sont que trop vrais. Le gouvernement provincial se fout de Montréal et met les régions au centre de ces préoccupations malgré le fait que Montréal est le coeur économique du Québec (c'est la réalité et il faudrait que les autres villes et régions du Québec l'accepte un jour. Le but n'est pas de montréaliser le Québec mais simplement donner les moyens à Montréal d'atteindre son plein potentiel et ainsi contribuer davantage au Québec.). Les montréalais sont par contre les principaux artisans de leurs malheurs. Aux élections, ils votent toujours pour le même parti (à 2 ou 3 comtés près). Un poteau téléphonique serait élu dans le West Island en autant qu'il soit Libéral. On pourrait dire la même chose dans l'est pour le PQ. Quand les montréalais en auront assez de se faire f**rrer, ils n'auront qu'à choisir de voter pour un autre parti. Quand tous les comtés de Montréal deviendront des prix à aller chercher pour les partis plutot que des acquis, alors ça va commencer à bouger...
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Un Quebec en santé passe par un Montreal vivant, dynamique et prospere. Comme Habsfan l'as dit, Montreal represente quand meme presque 50% de la population, les gouvernements on tout a gagner a faire que Montreal soit prospere.
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Je ne suis pas assez connaissant des affaires politiques et tout. Mais je veux juste lancer mon impression en etant un habitant general. Je trouve que Montreal, comparer aux autres villes comme Toronto ou Vancouver, n'est souvent pas assez proactive face aux developements economiques ou autres investissements. On a beau avoir des projets de reves, mais il ne semblent pas toujours faire les merveilles que prevu. Je me demande des fois est-ce que c'est un probleme avec la culture ou mentalite quebecoise ou francophone? Il semble qu'on n'arrive pas marketer notre ville, et capitaliser ce qu'on peut offrir, aussi bien que les autre villes. (e.g. Int'l Film Fest, Just pour Rire,...)

On met souvent beaucoup d'emphase sur les aspects sociaux. Pas que je suis contre ca, mais je crois qu'il faut vraiment batir un base solide (economie forte) pour supporter tout le reste. Vaut mieux avoir un bon moteur pour fonctionner la machine que d'essayer de garder chaque element en marche un par un.
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Et le Québec a le plus haut taux de doctorats au pays.
Ohh! J'ai des doutes! As tu des stats pour "backer" ton affirmation!?
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Habsfan: ce que cet auteur dit sur la (grosse) gouvernance de Montreal et sa sous representivite c'est vrai, moi meme et plusieurs autres forumeurs disent la meme chose.

Mais c'est la maniere de passer le message que j'aprecie pas, "backwater burg" en titre a cote de Montreal dans un quotidient "national", voyons donc. C'est de la provocation pure et simple, comment veux-tu preter attention au reste de son article?

Est-qu'un auteur ecrit Vancouver "crackheads and hobo hotspot" ? ou Toronto " kings of navel gazing maniacs ? " hehehe

En plus ca viens du globe and mail, c'est dans le meme pack que la National post, mcleans et d'autres dans mon esprit, rien de positif ne viendra d'eux... Les americains et etrangers bizarrement trouve beaucoup de positif dans Montreal que nos cousins canadiens, tu trouves pas ca bizzare?
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Je trouve que tu te laisses emporter un peu sur cet article. Bon, Da'ccord, le titre aurait pu être mieux, mais en aucun temps est ce que j'ai eu limpression que l'auteur méprise Montréal ou la dénigre!

Il ne fait que relater les probléemes que Montréal aura à faire face bientôt, sinon, comme qu'il le dit, on va se retrouver comme Cleveland ou Pittsburgh...ce qui n'est pas un compliment!

C'mon le Globe est vraiment moins mauvais que le National Post ou Macleans. Ils sont un peu plus ouvert et moins conservateur!
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C'mon le Globe est vraiment moins mauvais que le National Post ou Macleans. Ils sont un peu plus ouvert et moins conservateur!
Ça, c'est vrai. Mais admettons que le titre est vraiment mensongere. Pas la faute du journaliste (qui n'écrit pas les titres), mais du journal.
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Ça, c'est vrai. Mais admettons que le titre est vraiment mensongere. Pas la faute du journaliste (qui n'écrit pas les titres), mais du journal.
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Si on devait mettre Montréeal comme point sur une courbe représentant les 15 dernières années, ou allez vous la mettre? sur une courbe descendante ou ascendante?
ascendante, bien sûr! Mais la courbe est prèsque "flat" comparé à plusieurs autres villes avec lequel nous sommes em compétition!
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ascendante, bien sûr! Mais la courbe est prèsque "flat" comparé à plusieurs autres villes avec lequel nous sommes em compétition!
AND, la courbe is starting a lot lower than any other north american city.
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Montreal is not a "backwater burg", but it does have its faults. We do have one of he worst demographics in Canada (or maybe even in North America). our infrastructure is crumbling, and we don't have that "business friendly" spirit that many other cities have across Canada and North America. Instead of picking on the author and the newspaper, I think we should focus on the message and on the facts. What can we do to once again make Montreal one of the most prosperous cities on the continent? How can we improve? Montreal does have some positive aspects (some of them were mentioned in the article), but some things need to improve as well.
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Si on devait mettre Montréeal comme point sur une courbe représentant les 15 dernières années, ou allez vous la mettre? sur une courbe descendante ou ascendante?

Je pense honnêtement que beaucoup d'efforts par différentes authorités locales pour que Montréal soit sur une courbe ascendante et je crois que Montréal est sur une courbe ascendante.
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Backwater burg sa pourrait ce traduire par quoi en français.... ?
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on n'est pas en compétition avec les autres.
Ça mon cher Elsnorro, c'est un point de vue simpliste. C'mon Man! Le monde est TOUJOURS en compétition. C'est comme ça que le monde fonctionne!

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man lâchez la compétition : faut conserver ses acquis, son patrimoine, sa gastronomie, sa culture, ses loyers bas, sa musique, sa simplicité, sa streetlife, ses parcs, ses bars, ses festivals, son métro, ses arbres, son monde, tout ce que vous voulez.
JE suis d'Acord qu'il faut garder ses acquis, mais à la vitesse que les choses avancent ici, non seulement avons de la misère à garder ses acquis(car trompes toi pas, nous sommes en traîn d'en perdre) nous avons de la misère à améliorer ses mêmes acquis!

Plus longtemps que ça stagne ici, plus que ce sera difficle dans le futur.

Je n'en reviens pas que tu ne vois pas ça!
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Good post Jolly!

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Nevertheless, in the end, I believe cities reach an equilibrium. Just look to Europe for clues into the future. Toronto will continue to prosper and probably max out at 6 million people, or a similar size to the other lake cities like Chicago. Montreal will also likely max out at 6 million, but at a much slower pace and with a much lower income per cap.
I seriously doubt Toronto will max out at 6 million people...they will reach that number in less than 10 years. As for MOntreal, i think we'll max out at 4 million people. The growth here is too slow for us to even think that we'll make it to 6 million people!
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