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Old Posted Mar 6, 2020, 9:14 PM
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No more skyscrapers for San Francisco?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/05/san-...er-battle.html
For those of you in the city, is this new or has this been brewing for some time?
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2020, 9:23 PM
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For those of you in the city, is this new or has this been brewing for some time?
They have the problem right but the solution wrong.

The key isnt to limit development its to figure out what is making it so difficult for developers to build affordable housing not just in San Francisco but in neighboring and commuter cities.

Figure out that issue, dont limit office development.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2020, 9:32 PM
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The decline continues...

Tune in to season 2 where we discuss how the solution to housing and office needs IS not to build housing or office.
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The decline continues...

Tune in to season 2 where we discuss how the solution to housing and office needs IS not to build housing or office.
These people are as crazy as New Yorkers. I'd like to see Mitch McConnell rule the U.S. by fiat and eliminate this insanity.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2020, 4:58 AM
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These people are as crazy as New Yorkers. I'd like to see Mitch McConnell rule the U.S. by fiat and eliminate this insanity.
Something needs to be done to eliminate the insanity, most definitely. Much of it self induced too. A thriving population, and more money in the hands of people is good for the economy. Its a pity some economic engines are limited and increasingly held up by the #meONLY movement as I like to think of it. Me ME ME .... thats the NIMBY mentality.

But yeah, we need more housing point blank. They really need to force this housing too. Eminent domain is great. Whole sections of SF for example should be taken by force via the state to build this housing (I know it wouldn't happen, but it should). In our neck of the woods JMKeynes, I'm hoping once Deblasio leaves, we'll get more competent leadership.

Its a pity NYC hasn't taken more action to curtain these asinine ploys by the community to derail perfectly legal as-of-right developments. Well within the legal framework of the codes and regulations. Where the hell is Cuomo in all of this. He needs to get more involved.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2020, 7:10 AM
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Whole sections of SF for example should be taken by force via the state to build this housing (I know it wouldn't happen, but it should).
If the SF government took over whole sections of the city it's more likely they'd build community gardens than housing.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2020, 9:39 PM
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For those of you in the city, is this new or has this been brewing for some time?
The cities a mess Dariusb. Extremely hostile development environment, housing costs off the charts, poor efforts to mitigate or reverse the trend, a super aggressive strain of NIMBY's, over regulation that mitigates the residential and office outlook and potential... just bad news in general. Shame too, because it a gorgeous city within a pristine geographical area... but... its policies and long-term outlook are in the gutter. Speaking of the gutter, so are some of its residents. And how the people feel about it? Just dandy! Nothing wrong going on there.

If one is not rich or well off, the Bay Area will eat you alive in this current housing climate. But nobody seems to care, and will defend that this is false (that the housing situation is fine).
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2020, 10:26 PM
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And how the people feel about it? Just dandy! Nothing wrong going on there.
You've never been to San Francisco, have you? Please proceed, Senator . . .

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If one is not rich or well off, the Bay Area will eat you alive in this current housing climate. But nobody seems to care, and will defend that this is false (that the housing situation is fine).
Confirmed you've never been to San Francisco.

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Anyway, I've been working 12 hours a day and didn't even realize this dumb prop had passed. It will get challenged, and hopefully fall in court.

There was a prop passed in the 1980s that had a similar goal, and it messed up skyscraper construction for the entire 1990s. That said, we eventually did get the current skyscraper boom.
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You've never been to San Francisco, have you? Please proceed, Senator . . .


Confirmed you've never been to San Francisco.

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Anyway, I've been working 12 hours a day and didn't even realize this dumb prop had passed. It will get challenged, and hopefully fall in court.
I'm not sure what kind of reasoning that is. Are some suppose to be exempt from speaking on issues. I was never around during 1865, doesn't mean we can't talk about the issues of that time.

Like I said, folks ignoring the issues at hand when presented with the raw truth. Over regulation, and an inhospitable housing climate. Its not like we don't live in an era where info isn't readily available, like housing info or homeless stats or info on the gripes of the business community.

Its not some voodoo trade secret that SF is a very tough environment to get developments going, as it is to live expense wise. Its quite evident that if your well off (good income) or rich, the bay area is manageable. Yeah you can scrap by with a shoe box unit and pay-check to pay-check, but that's kinda a not so desirable outcome is it?

EVEN in the article, the locals are happy (NIMBYS) but the business community is venting their frustrations. Of course the locals are happy, the very anti-development mindset that serves to drive prices up and keep new folks out or even reduce the amount of business.

If I didn't know any better, hmmm... might be some selfishness, as that tone of your reply indicates and possibly a protective bubble mentality when challenged on the circle of fermenting chaos that is self-induced among the SF community.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2020, 2:44 AM
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I'm not sure what kind of reasoning that is. Are some suppose to be exempt from speaking on issues. I was never around during 1865, doesn't mean we can't talk about the issues of that time.
Professor, there are 900,000 people living in San Francisco right now who are fully aware of, and mostly concerned about, a whole slew of issues affecting our lives; meanwhile, in some dank New Jersey basement, you've decided to declare otherwise out of sheer ignorance.

Look, you can write whatever you like about people and places you've never known; each time, though, it becomes more clear that you don't know what you're talking about.

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Like I said, folks ignoring the issues at hand when presented with the raw truth. Over regulation, and an inhospitable housing climate. Its not like we don't live in an era where info isn't readily available, like housing info or homeless stats or info on the gripes of the business community.

Its not some voodoo trade secret that SF is a very tough environment to get developments going, as it is to live expense wise. Its quite evident that if your well off (good income) or rich, the bay area is manageable. Yeah you can scrap by with a shoe box unit and pay-check to pay-check, but that's kinda a not so desirable outcome is it?
Are you asking me, Doctor? At least it's a start. San Francisco has problems (and as you know, Fox News reports all of them every day). Everybody who lives here knows it, and yet, like similarly-afflicted West Coast cities, SF remains incredibly desirable to live and work in. That's why housing prices and office space are so expensive--the competition is fierce to live and work here.

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EVEN in the article, the locals are happy (NIMBYS) but the business community is venting their frustrations. Of course the locals are happy, the very anti-development mindset that serves to drive prices up and keep new folks out or even reduce the amount of business.

If I didn't know any better, hmmm... might be some selfishness, as that tone of your reply indicates and possibly a protective bubble mentality when challenged on the circle of fermenting chaos that is self-induced among the SF community.
You don't know better. You don't know better than we do about our lives and our community--and that's my whole point.

If you must declare what other people are thinking and how other people are living based on third-hand knowledge, you're better off sticking with people and places you actually know a little something about beyond Fox News clips. Perhaps you can tell us about Sbarro customers at the mall?
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2020, 2:58 AM
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You've spent more time attacking me (emotional) than debating with counterpoints. Typical...
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2020, 3:21 AM
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the circle of fermenting chaos that is self-induced among the SF community.
Lol wow. Is this really how people outside the Bay Area view it?

I must've been living here too long to realize I'm fermenting in my own chaos.

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Old Posted Mar 7, 2020, 3:27 AM
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Lol wow. Is this really how people outside the Bay Area view it?

I must've been living here too long to realize I'm fermenting in my own chaos.

How typical of you to not let some ignorant fail-son inform you of who you are, what you think, and how you live.

Don't you understand, homebucket? He watches Fox News! That means he knows more about us than we do, and everyone should take notes while the Professor expounds on people he doesn't know in places he's never been!
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Lol wow. Is this really how people outside the Bay Area view it?
They hate us cause they aint us.
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I feel like this is a reasonable idea. We need more affordable housing in San Francisco, and in the Bay Area in general, and with the current demand for office space in the city, this should help spur the construction of more affordable housing.
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I feel like this is a reasonable idea. We need more affordable housing in San Francisco, and in the Bay Area in general, and with the current demand for office space in the city, this should help spur the construction of more affordable housing.
How will this spur affordable housing development?
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2020, 5:25 AM
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This only restricts office space. Calling it a skyscraper ban is extremely misleading.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2020, 5:35 AM
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For those of you in the city, is this new or has this been brewing for some time?
It’s a new initiative but I don’t see much effect. There are only 3 really tall towers in the pipeline, 2 under construction (but in trouble because off the issues of the Chinese owner) and one approved but not yet under construction. The other towers planned are residential so should be unaffected.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2020, 7:17 AM
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^^Ok. Is the city running out of space/lots to build on or not?
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I fully expect to see a bunch of 800-900k square feet office tower proposals.
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