The most dangerous cities in Canada - A Maclean's exclusive

babo · #1 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 5:10 PM**

Has this been brought up here before?

The most dangerous cities in Canada

Top Ten High Crime Cities:
1. Regina
2. Saskatoon
3. Winnipeg
4. Prince George
5. Edmonton
6. New Westminster
7. Chilliwack
8. Victoria
9. Vancouver
10. Halifax

1ajs · #2 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 5:37 PM**

cime is down 49% in Winnipeg so far this year
www.winnipeg.ca/crimestat

someone123 · #3 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 5:45 PM**

Arthabaska, Que., which sits halfway between Montreal and Quebec City, was Canada's murder city, 2006, but ranked 21st in the overall rankings.

In other words, they had 2 murders in 2006 instead of 0 or 1?

Beyond the actual crime statistics themselves, which you can get directly from Statistics Canada, the Macleans article is mostly worthless.

ILYR · #4 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 10:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1ajs

cime is down 49% in Winnipeg so far this year
www.winnipeg.ca/crimestat

Vehicle theft is also down.

"According to Manitoba Public Insurance, auto theft in Winnipeg was down 29% in 2007 compared with 2006. " taken from Sun Media Feb 26, 2008

vid · #5 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 5:47 PM**

1. This list does not include Thunder Bay, therefore it is crap.

2. This isn't "a Maclean's exclusive"; this is data publicly available on Statistics Canada's website!

Mayor Quimby · #6 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 6:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by babo

Has this been brought up here before?

The most dangerous cities in Canada

Top Ten High Crime Cities:
1. Regina
2. Saskatoon
3. Winnipeg
4. Prince George
5. Edmonton
6. New Westminster
7. Chilliwack
8. Victoria
9. Vancouver
10. Halifax

and I thought Mayor Pat had taken a bite out of crime.

When it is actually national trends in crime rates being reduced. Really, how can Pat Fiacco (

) and the Regina Police Service actually claim that crime is going down when Regina is always at or near the top of this list????

rrskylar · #7 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 8:50 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by babo

Has this been brought up here before?

The most dangerous cities in Canada

Top Ten High Crime Cities:
1. Regina
2. Saskatoon
3. Winnipeg
4. Prince George
5. Edmonton
6. New Westminster
7. Chilliwack
8. Victoria
9. Vancouver
10. Halifax

When I hear those cities mentioned the first thing that comes to mind is scary, downright sends a shiver up my spine! What a fucking joke, trust Mcleans to come up with shit like that.

harls · #8 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 8:52 PM**

WOW Regina is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, my dad had his ball-point hitch stolen from his truck once and then one time I saw this indian dude emerge from a 7-11 dumpster on Albert, I was like, man this place is crime-ridden.

whatever, Macleans, you can spin this shit all you want.

ReginaGuy · #9 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 9:29 PM**

"A Maclean's exclusive"

Mayor Quimby · #10 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 9:45 PM**

How is this spin?

How can crime stats from the various police forces be spin?

Spocket · #11 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 10:38 PM**

^It's not exactly. It's just that every time MacLean's has something to say about the state of this country , it seems that pretty much everywhere but Central Canada is going to hell in a handbasket. It's not so much the contents of the article but the choice of topics. You can rest assured that this is something that won't get brought up the next time Toronto gets three murders in a day and "Somebody has to stop the insanity !". Then it's a question of what the country needs to do and to get it done quickly...for the sake of all Canadians who have heard of Toronto's crime problems.

BrannyMuffin · #12 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 10:43 PM**

It's hard to judge how dangerous a city is today based on two-year-old stats. I don't think most people associate car thefts with danger. They make no mention of how much crime is actually reported in each particular area. They make no mention of how much of this was random acts of violence. I would venture to guess that some cities report at a higher rate than others. Things that get reported one night in any given city may not be reported in another city, or even in that same city the next night. We called the cops one night because there were a couple of drunk teenagers who were going to fight on the street in front of our house one night. Three other neighbors also called the cops. These kids yelled and shoved a bit but not a punch was thrown before one neighbor came out and a couple of their friends held them apart. The cops showed up and took away the kid who started the whole thing. So now you have a reported incident where nothing actually happened. A couple of kids who got drunk at a party and wanted to fight. And never actually did.

I don't care where you are...there are bad people right around the corner. A lot of it is perception. I remember a story a few years back about people on a tour from Winnipeg who refused to leave their hotels because it was so "dangerous". That's ridiculous. I don't think most of this crime is random...a lot of people bring it on themselves. Most of it is about who you associate yourself with. There will always be random acts of violence, and that's too bad. But it happens absolutely everywhere.

I have a friend who was beaten and robbed by 5 guys in Calgary on his way to work after class one day. He made it to the train and another guy tried to rob him. Of course he had nothing left for the guy to take. He had a horrible time in Calgary and had quite a few problems in the two years he was there. Calgary isn't even on that list. A lot of it is who you know but some of it is just crappy luck.

If Maclean's wanted to prove something, they would dig and dig until they found stats that are relevent today.

Pootkao · #13 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 10:49 PM**

The top 9 are all in Western Canada.

Mayor Quimby · #14 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 11:17 PM**

Crime rates are down nationwide and in most western nations. That is why this type of list gives one a true sense of what is being accomplished. If a city, like Regina, is consistently in the top 3 in crimes then local authorities have done very little to actually curb crime, and are riding a national trend. On the flip side, if a city is consistently dropping on the list, then credit should, and can, be given to local authorities and the manner it which it was accomplished.

What this clearly shows is the Regina's Mayor Pat Fiacco is a complete failure at dealing with crime in Regina. Which happens to be one his so-called "accomplishments".

Only The Lonely.. · #15 Posted **Mar 13, 2008, 11:29 PM**

Another pointless survey to make smug asswipes in Toronto feel good about themselves.

This is why I never read MacLeans. It's basically the Ontario digest.

Crime is bad here, but its bad in Toronto too.

I think 1ajs is right about Winnipeg's decreasing crime rate. For the last few years Edmonton has been beating us on the kill count, and I know that Vancouver tops us in drugs.

theman23 · #16 Posted **Mar 15, 2008, 2:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

Another pointless survey to make smug asswipes in Toronto feel good about themselves.

This is why I never read MacLeans. It's basically the Ontario digest.

Calgary (which, last I checked, was the biggest city in the West and thus probably not in Ontario) ranked better than the two biggest cities in the East. And MacLeans has changed quite drastically in the last few years. Ever since Kenneth Whyte (an Albertan) took over, it has essentially become the mouthpiece of far-right conservatism in Canada. Not exactly the Ontario Digest anymore.

Only The Lonely.. · #17 Posted **Mar 15, 2008, 3:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

Calgary (which, last I checked, was the biggest city in the West and thus probably not in Ontario) ranked better than the two biggest cities in the East. And MacLeans has changed quite drastically in the last few years. Ever since Kenneth Whyte (an Albertan) took over, it has essentially become the mouthpiece of far-right conservatism in Canada. Not exactly the Ontario Digest anymore.

I don't know, today its cities tomorrow its university rankings. Toronto is apparently perfect.

We're lucky to have such a magnificent social utopia in our own backyard.

CCF · #18 Posted **Mar 15, 2008, 3:24 AM**

There are universities outside of Ontario?

theman23 · #19 Posted **Mar 15, 2008, 6:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

I don't know, today its cities tomorrow its university rankings. Toronto is apparently perfect.

We're lucky to have such a magnificent social utopia in our own backyard.

Did you completely miss the part where Calgary was ranked better? Or that most of the current columnists at Macleans are so far right-wing that they probably abhor everything that Toronto stands for? Or that not a single Toronto university even ranks in McGill's top 3? Or maybe you would have preferred a ranking where they simply fudged the numbers with your city, just pretended that a few of those murders never occurred? I'm sure if we look hard enough, we'll find that they were never really killed in the first place! I have a feeling you don't have any problem with their methodology, you just don't like the results.

You know, this whole pseudo-persecution complex you have stops being cute when it has absolutely no grounding in reality.

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Originally Posted by CCF

There are universities outside of Ontario?

No. Except for in Regina, which I believe has the highest concentration of Dentistry schools on the planet! And some said market-driven schools would never work! Pshaw. You guys sure showed them!

Only The Lonely.. · #20 Posted **Mar 15, 2008, 4:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

Did you completely miss the part where Calgary was ranked better? Or that most of the current columnists at Macleans are so far right-wing that they probably abhor everything that Toronto stands for? Or that not a single Toronto university even ranks in McGill's top 3? Or maybe you would have preferred a ranking where they simply fudged the numbers with your city, just pretended that a few of those murders never occurred? I'm sure if we look hard enough, we'll find that they were never really killed in the first place! I have a feeling you don't have any problem with their methodology, you just don't like the results.

You know, this whole pseudo-persecution complex you have stops being cute when it has absolutely no grounding in reality.

No. Except for in Regina, which I believe has the highest concentration of Dentistry schools on the planet! And some said market-driven schools would never work! Pshaw. You guys sure showed them!

Whoa! Take it easy there partner.

If you were from Manitoba or Saskatchewan you would be down in the dumps too. MacLeans usually doesn't offer too my articles in praise of Winnipeg, Saskatoon or Regina.

In my humble opinion, the article is grossly over sensationalized to say the least. They make Regina sound like Watts. Truth be known, more people get killed in Detroit on a long weekend then they do in Winnipeg for a whole year.

It's hardly as if Winnipeg and Regina are Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yes Calgary made the list of 'safe' cities, but it is because of its relative affluence and low aboriginal population.

Articles like these only make it harder for cities like Winnipeg to regain the confidence of outside investors.

How are we supposed to improve our economic condition when every businessman across the country thinks Winnipeg is a warzone?

As Andy pointed out, violent crime in this city is mostly between people who are known to each other.

I.e) two guys get into a scuffle in a crack den and one gets knifed.

It's hardly as if there are masked marksmen picking people off at random from on top of the Canwest tower.