AUSTIN | 99 Red River/Block 190/98 Red River Phase II | ? Floors | ? Feet | Proposed

[The ATX]

I split this off from the 98 Red River thread because the latest info indicates that this is a later Phase II project. I'll eventually add what little info we have about this project.

[We vs us]

Originally Posted by The ATX

I split this off from the 98 Red River thread because the latest info indicates that this is a later Phase II project. I'll eventually add what little info we have about this project.

Just to refresh . . . this is the dirt parking lot directly across Cesar Chavez from the Fairmont, correct?

[The ATX]

Originally Posted by We vs us

Just to refresh . . . this is the dirt parking lot directly across Cesar Chavez from the Fairmont, correct?

Yes.

[H2O]

Maybe somebody can post the earlier two building renderings showing both 98 and 99. It might not be what we end up with on 99, but it is the best we have at the moment.

[The ATX]

Here are the only known renderings of 99 Red River that were included in previous versions of 98 Red River renderings. It's the tower just to the right of the taller 98 Red River tower.





In this rendering it's the tower to the left of 98 Red River.


Renderings Link:
http://northpoint.co.kr/portfolio/wa...n/?ckattempt=1

[The ATX]

This is not new - it was posted for AULCC in April. But it pretty much completes what we know about this project. Notice the notch at the corner of CC & RR. That might be the main entrance to the lobby. One of the renderings seem to confirm that.


ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/.../200423/PLANS/

[DougRockstead]

Those are some beautiful towers. I wish we were still getting towers that remsembled these wihtout losing height.

Renderings Link:
http://northpoint.co.kr/portfolio/wa...n/?ckattempt=1[/QUOTE]

[Urbannizer]

1/7

Signage

[The ATX]

This thread was close to dropping to page 4. Hopefully it will be hanging out near the top of page 1 in a few years. Here are a couple of visionary renderings of both 98RR and this project. The main consistency in the visionary renderings we have seen is the height in relation to 98RR: maybe 600'-700'?

[Urbannizer]

https://plo.mp/

[The ATX]

There's also this one with a waterfall.

[corvairkeith]

There's something vaguely post-apocalyptic about this one.

Originally Posted by The ATX

There's also this one with a waterfall.

[kingkirbythe....]

I can dig that. Its all the plants. It makes look long abandoned.

[KevinFromTexas]

Not crazy about the skybridge.

[enragedcamel]

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Not crazy about the skybridge.

I'm the opposite. I think Austin could use a lot more skybridges. I understand why some people don't like them (e.g. they take away from pedestrian traffic at the ground level) but they can also be huge timesavers when going from one building to another.

[the Genral]

Originally Posted by enragedcamel

I'm the opposite. I think Austin could use a lot more skybridges. I understand why some people don't like them (e.g. they take away from pedestrian traffic at the ground level) but they can also be huge timesavers when going from one building to another.

And like the skybridges in places like Minneapolis which keep pedestrians away from the bitter cold, down here would keep them from the oppressive heat.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by enragedcamel

I'm the opposite. I think Austin could use a lot more skybridges. I understand why some people don't like them (e.g. they take away from pedestrian traffic at the ground level) but they can also be huge timesavers when going from one building to another.

Let’s keep downtown more intimate. I am opposed to most skybridges there, but would support our councilmembers taking each on a case-by-case basis. The Domain, otoh, let’s build lots of skybridges—it’d help with traffic by getting pedestrians off of those awfully designed streets.

[KevinFromTexas]

Originally Posted by enragedcamel

I'm the opposite. I think Austin could use a lot more skybridges. I understand why some people don't like them (e.g. they take away from pedestrian traffic at the ground level) but they can also be huge timesavers when going from one building to another.

I'd rather we make our streets safer for pedestrians than providing them a "safe passage" above the chaos. The only reason to need one, and it's obvious since it's right above the parking garage, is so you can park in one tower and walk over to the next one.

I think if someone is having trouble with the heat here then they're probably not the type of person who goes downtown very often anyway. And I don't believe for a second that a few skybridges is going to change their behavior.

Even in a place like the Domain where the development feels like a retirement community in Florida, the building designs there don't exactly lend to having skybridges be favorable. Who wants to live on the 2nd floor of an apartment there with a view down the street of a skybridge? You also can't just plop them into a building anyway you please. The residential units want to be looking outward from the building onto the street, so gobbling up a section of the building's facade/streetwall with a skybridge is a bit of a waste of space in those developments. I suppose it would work better in a residential building where the residences started higher up, say above a 8 to 10 floor parking garage, but so far most of what's at the Domain isn't that tall yet. And, sure, it can be done for the office buildings there, but I question what removing those pedestrians from the street will do the atmosphere of the place. Some of the big office towers at the Domain have already created dead spaces. So far, everything at the Domain is exactly the type of stuff we complain about in downtown, namely huge parking garages and little street interaction.

[migol24]

I think skybridges are getting too much credit than they even deserve. More likely most folks won't use it all that much and probably won't even be much of a factor. It's just a small convenience for the people that live or work in the buildings.

[Urbannizer]

Originally Posted by migol24

I think skybridges are getting too much credit than they even deserve. More likely most folks won't use it all that much and probably won't even be much of a factor. It's just a small convenience for the people that live or work in the buildings.

I agree. From the rendering it appears to connect from the hotel of phase I to the office of phase II. I believe only the people from the office space will realize it’s there, and there wouldn’t really be a need for guest/apartment dwellers to venture to that end.