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[LRTfan]

Does anyone know if this is a real proposal? Stunning hotel concept on Gore Park next to Burrito Boyz. Man, I'd love to see some 21st Century big-city vibes like this instead of fake heritage additions all the time....





Source:
http://www.tcarch.ca/projects.php?projectID=230

[StEC]

Originally Posted by LRTfan

Does anyone know if this is a real proposal? Stunning hotel concept on Gore Park next to Burrito Boyz. Man, I'd love to see some 21st Century big-city vibes like this instead of fake heritage additions all the time....





Source:
http://www.tcarch.ca/projects.php?projectID=230

OMG this would be stunning!!!

[CaptainKirk]

Originally Posted by StEC

OMG this would be stunning!!!

I've heard of a real cool, and funky concept, but not details. Nice to see something.

[drpgq]

$6M ‘boutique hotel’ overlooking Gore Park envisioned for downtown

For weeks, crews have been cleaning out 62 and 64 King St. E., but amid the dust and debris, Patrick Bermingham's vision for these two stoic buildings facing Gore Park is clearer than ever.

"When anybody comes to Hamilton, you want to provide a place where they can eat, sleep, work and meet. So why not a boutique hotel?"

So the former CEO of Bermingham Foundation Solutions, who bought the properties with a partner in February, has released plans for the Beverley Hamilton Hotel.

Designed by Thier + Curran Architects Inc. (TCA), the 20-room hotel would have a ground-floor restaurant, a rooftop patio and deck, one floor designed for events and "a space in the basement for spin classes," Bermingham, an avid cyclist, says. Some of the hotel rooms could also be used for extended stays.

After the initial purchase of the long-vacant 62 King St. E., Bermingham and partner Malcolm Silver, a Toronto commercial real estate investor, closed a deal for the building next door at 64 King St. E.

By having both buildings Bermingham says a redesign of the space will allow more light and better access through the narrow spaces.

[anactualalien]

This will make Stinson green with envy if it's successful.

[hamilton23]

I see that the thread labels this project as Under Construction. If you re-read the article you'll notice that they still are in the proposal stages. From talking to the owners, they've only cleared the interior so far. They can't actually start Construction until they approval from the city though.

[King&James]

Great if they can make this happen, sure the catwalk will not happen, but sure they can create something equally stunning. Nice to call out the slow "open for business" reality. Hamilton City needs to show how fast they can go.

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by King&James

Great if they can make this happen, sure the catwalk will not happen, but sure they can create something equally stunning. Nice to call out the slow "open for business" reality. Hamilton City needs to show how fast they can go.

It would certainly be a much welcomed and appreciated addition to the Gore.

We need more life on that side.

[LRTfan]

LOVE the catwalk overhang piece...so cool

[Chronamut]

Speaking from an architects perspective - that roof overhang probably wouldn't be able to handle snow loads and would most likely have to be redesigned - so the overall look would probably be changed. That or it'd involve some serious reinforced metal. The overall proposed visuals are not done by engineers or architectural technologists, which is why you often see structural changes done afterwards to factor in the engineered loads that can only be calculated once designs start.

In addition I am not sure if the core allows for jutouts with the sculpture on it as anything that can collapse out onto people is generally avoided due to the era of marquis jut outs from the old theatres collapsing and killing people. That and the pedestal the sculpture is on looks very flimsy to hold something that heavy. Nice concept, but changes would definitely be done before it ever got built. There is just too little load support in this building for it to probably even pass code.

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

Speaking from an architects perspective - that roof overhang probably wouldn't be able to handle snow loads and would most likely have to be redesigned - so the overall look would probably be changed. That or it'd involve some serious reinforced metal. The overall proposed visuals are not done by engineers or architectural technologists, which is why you often see structural changes done afterwards to factor in the engineered loads that can only be calculated once designs start.

In addition I am not sure if the core allows for jutouts with the sculpture on it as anything that can collapse out onto people is generally avoided due to the era of marquis jut outs from the old theatres collapsing and killing people. That and the pedestal the sculpture is on looks very flimsy to hold something that heavy. Nice concept, but changes would definitely be done before it ever got built. There is just too little load support in this building for it to probably even pass code.

As someone invested in the core and as someone who likes this design, I don't see this design being approved. I think this is just a render to get the public excited since it's a pretty radically different architectural style than most buildings downtown. I can see it being approved with slight modifications to the design though. Again, this is going to be a long process with approvals and resubmissions (if applicable) construction...

Regardless, it's a good idea to have a boutique style small hotel like this in the core.

[LRTfan]

you're probably right...Hamilton being Hamilton. Something not pre-cast faux brick is too exciting around here. Amazing how small-townish we became sometime in the last 4 decades. I mean TO used to call us 'The Ambitious City'. Incredible to see how quickly a city can become insular and hillbilly-ish.

[hamilton23]

Originally Posted by LRTfan

you're probably right...Hamilton being Hamilton. Something not pre-cast faux brick is too exciting around here. Amazing how small-townish we became sometime in the last 4 decades. I mean TO used to call us 'The Ambitious City'. Incredible to see how quickly a city can become insular and hillbilly-ish.

It doesn't have much to do with that. We've seen a lot of modern designs be proposed by developers that never get built as a result of a lack of funding and other issues related to the developer and not the city.

It also doesn't help that the surrounding buildings in Gore Park don't match this design at all. If this does indeed get approved as rendered, this may kickstart other developers to think outside of the box in regards to building something radically different right in Gore Park.

I support this project and I hope they build it.

[ScreamingViking]

This is dead. Buildings to be sold.

Gore Park developers scuttle boutique Hamilton hotel plans
Building owners say the numbers don’t work and the architect says city staff should have kept their fingers out of his design
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9...n-hotel-plans/


But the story also mentions Bermingham is involved with 103 King E... which would be this project: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=220439. Is this the first time that's been noted on this board? That thread has been stale a while.

[StEC]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

This is dead. Buildings to be sold.

Gore Park developers scuttle boutique Hamilton hotel plans
Building owners say the numbers don’t work and the architect says city staff should have kept their fingers out of his design
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9...n-hotel-plans/


But the story also mentions Bermingham is involved with 103 King E... which would be this project: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=220439. Is this the first time that's been noted on this board? That thread has been stale a while.

Another example of the red tape and naysayers in this city chasing away progress! Boggles my mind that they would rather dilapidated buildings to exist over a beautiful new development right in the core!

[king10]

Originally Posted by StEC

Another example of the red tape and naysayers in this city chasing away progress! Boggles my mind that they would rather debilitated buildings to exist over a beautiful new development right in the core!

The shadow of the marquee signage was going to directly impose on the cenotaph and he didnt want to budge. Non starter in my opinion to have commercial logo reflect on the cenotaph. Our soldiers sacrificed far too much to have their memorial cheapened like that.

Also the fact that the real reason this isnt going through is because the business plan and economics did not make financial sense. City couldve approved the whole design but the developer isnt going forward because his business plan didnt pan out.

[anactualalien]

I'm inclined to believe the former explanation over the latter.

Real shame though, I'd be happy with anything that fixes up those buildings.

[drpgq]

I'm kind of skeptical that the building is worth $4.7 million, especially with the hassles you have deal with Thorne and the city to do anything with it. Especially disappointing considering how moribund the south side of Gore is.

[realcity]

Thorne did this.

[matt602]

Originally Posted by realcity

Thorne did this.

weird, I didn't know his job description included sabotaging development in the downtown.